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Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:06 AM Jun 2014

A question about the terms sexism and misogyny...

Do they mean the same thing or are they different? It's just that I tend to use the term sexist when describing some men I've encountered, but haven't really used misogynist. Not because there's an aversion to the word, but probably it's quicker for me to say sexist...

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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I may not be an expert but I don't think they mean the same thing
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jun 2014

As I understand it - Sexism refers more to the actions you take, while Misogyny refers more to the attitude/belief system which can motivate such actions. Sexist actions can be motivated by Misogyny, but could also be motivated by ignorance (i.e. someone genuinely doesn't think woman are inferior but hasn't considered how a specific action or situation may be Sexist (we all wear cultural blinders)).

Or that's what I think.

Bryant

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
2. I think of the two the way I learned from the black community about prejudice and racism.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jun 2014

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In their view (having worked in all-black Chicago high schools for 34+ years) prejudice is one's personal pre-judgment based on received stereotypes or some other beliefs. Racism is prejudice + power, the institutionalized and systematic discrimination of minorities. Black people believe that anyone can be prejudiced, but only white, privileged participants who control institutional, discriminatory systems can be called racist. Thus, blacks can be prejudiced toward whites; but without institutionalized power, they cannot rightly be called racist.

In applying this thinking to sexism and misogyny, generally, the same partly holds true with one variation. Sexism is the sum of received stereotypes that produce social discrimination -- individual or random group treatment -- toward girls and women. Unlike its 'prejudice' counterpart, sexism can be extended to describe the codified, systematic use of discrimination against women that reveals itself in economic, legal, religious and social systems' policies and practices -- exclusions, double standards, lower pay, undue legal burdens -- exerted by institutions.

My comparison differs from the racial context of the above words in my belief that misogyny drives sexism. It is the deep-seated belief (driven by formed emotional habit) that drives the codifying of women as spiritually inferior, property, and expendable, traffickable bodies for male use and profit, with all the attendant fear, loathing and private constrictions that drive private male domination behaviors and public, institutionalized sexism. Misogyny is deeply held feeling and belief. Sexism is its public expression.

Women's economic, legal and social lives are affected by both, but their feeling of the misogyny around them is more emotional, spiritually hurtful. Any misogyny directly experienced is soul killing and drives women into fight or flight behaviors. Sexism has some institutional remedies, and often simply drives women to adapt to patriarchal systems, or confront personally those who unconsciously reveal it. Women tend to know what to do about sexism. They tend not to know what to do about misogyny, except, perhaps, seek solace with each other and through the power of numbers or persuasion.

There is a parallel connection between minorities and women, when they realize that even if they practice either prejudice or sexism toward the privileged power group, they cannot hurt them because of the broad-based institutions that buttress the privileged persons' status. There is no verbal equivalent for "nigger," and there is no verbal equivalent for "cunt" or "bitch" that leverages power for either 'out' group.

The prejudiced or sexist individual can unconsciously be so without necessarily being racist or misogynist. The practice of consciousness is key. Institutions generally "excuse" the privileged from any direct responsibility for expressing racism or sexism. If they display a pattern that supports such institutions, then individuals can rightly be called consciously racist or sexist.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
3. I honestly never heard of the word "misogynist" until DU
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jun 2014

And after all this time I still can't spell it right. Or know how to pronounce it correctly since I've only ever known of it in writing.

Good question though, I still don't know what the difference is between the two words. I prefer to not use "misogynist" except for here because few people seem to know what it means at all... like, never heard the word before.

I don't know, seems to me "sexist" covers all the bases, and anyone would know what it means (and be able to both spell and pronounce it correctly... LOL!)

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
4. I'd heard it before then, but never really thought about it much...
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:19 AM
Jun 2014

I so know what you mean about not being able to spell it correctly. I always get my y's and i's in the wrong place! Living in a culture where shortening words for convenience is a part of life, I've always been why do four syllables when talking if there's something exactly the same that only takes two to get out.

Thanks to all three of you for yr replies, especially ancianita whose explanation of where the difference lies was something I went back and read twice because it made sense to me. In real life (not DU) I'm going to stick with 'he's a sexist wanker' though coz if I said 'he's a misogynistic wanker' all I'd get would be blank looks, not at the wanker part which everyone understands, but the misogynist part

ismnotwasm

(41,977 posts)
5. Here's a good article with the viewpoint of different women
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jun 2014
Sexism and misogyny: what's the difference?



Naomi Wolf: Julia Gillard used the word accurately
I object to more heightened words being appropriated carelessly to make political points: sexism is not in fact misogyny; someone can like women quite a lot in person but be very happy to support systematic discrimination against them (sexism) or to use gender stereotypes against them (sexism). So I am sorry to see the dictionary conflating the terms. Sexism is to misogyny what antisemitism is to Jew-hating. Neither is ever acceptable, but we need precise language to understand and fight injustice effectively.

Having said that, Julia Gillard used "misogyny' perfectly accurately. She said that Tony Abbott described abortion as "the easy way out" and cited his political campaign against Gillard involving posters asking voters to "ditch the witch". The latter, especially, is a time-honoured tradition of true misogyny – stirring up atavistic hatred of the feminine – that goes back to witch-hunts against powerful women in the New World. Her critics, for their part, are asking us to water down our awareness of real woman-hating and accept it as normal in political discourse.

"Misogyny" often surfaces in political struggles over women's role, and you can tell because the control of women becomes personalised, intrusive and often sexualised. Misogyny has the amygdala involved – the part of the brain involved in processing emotional responses – there is contempt and violence in it. A public figure who tolerates the systemic under-prosecuting of rape is guilty of serious and unforgivable sexism; making rape jokes or explaining away the damage of rape in public as Congressman Todd Akin did recently in the US, or legislating, as over a dozen US states are now doing, transvaginal probes that are medically unnecessary, simply to sexually punish women for choosing abortion – well, that is misogyny.



Julie Bindel: Sexists are not always misogynists
When a man claims that women are naturally maternal, or are by default, bad drivers, he is a sexist. If he was to add that women are only good for a fuck and should be confined to servicing men and their children, it is misogyny. Misogynists are always sexist, but sexists are not always misogynists. For example, if a man says of a woman, "Look at the state of that fat, ugly cow, I wouldn't touch her with yours," then he is a misogynist. It would follow that he does not respect women as equals and is therefore also a sexist.


More:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/17/difference-between-sexism-and-misogyny
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