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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:17 AM Jun 2012

engendering equality

Because all these situations have made me wonder why is there no sense of female sisterhood, no sense of women speaking up for other women? Where is all the conflict and contention coming from? Recently, in an interview with the Observer, Gloria Steinem explained her thoughts on why people so often complain that groups of women can be catty, “do women compete for the favors of men? Yes. They’ve spent 5,000 years competing. It is true of any subordinated group. But once you get a sense of possibilities and shared experience, it becomes the most powerful community. I see a form of it when I travel. I’ll be walking through an airport, say, and my plane will be four hours late, and a woman cleaner will say: ‘Here, take these magazines I’ve collected’, or: ‘When I’m tired, I sleep in the closet over there. Would you like to use it?’ It’s the same with the flight attendants. It’s a floating community.”

So it seems that women, just as other oppressed groups, often perpetuate the same prejudicial thoughts or behavior that they’ve experienced in a way to separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority. Competition is formed in order to be ingratiated to those in positions of power or those seen as possessing positive characteristics. And yet, Steinem explains, when an opportunity is created for the sharing of experiences, a sense of community emerges. A sense of sisterhood, if you will.

I admit, I’ve had my own problems with the notion of sisterhood. It always seemed like this sense of camaraderie between women was based upon some opposition to men (granted that was probably a very ill conceived notion of sisterhood but it’s the one I understood). But in thinking about it now this sense of sisterhood is important in that it should lead us to a greater sense of community, which in turn leads us to a better understanding of the oneness of humanity as a whole. It might just be a first step. If women can see other women as more than just these characteristics assigned to them by culture and tradition then we can use this same outlook towards men.

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But in response to this pattern of behavior, of underestimating and insulting women, so endemic to our culture and perpetuated by both men and women, and by social structures and institutions, lets promote this idea of sisterhood (men can promote it too!). Let’s promote this idea that groups of women as well as individual women aren’t dramatic, catty, manipulative gossips. They are human beings endowed with the capacity to love, reason, understand, acquire knowledge and serve their community. Let’s move beyond stereotypical tropes that have been perpetuated and supported by years of subjugation, lets question cultural norms of thought and behavior, and let’s support each other in the process, as we move towards an understanding of the oneness of humanity.

http://engenderingequality.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/sisterhood/

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i had to bring this to our forum. i had it in the beginning of the other forum. i do not want to lose it. i keep going back to it. this has really helped me to understand so much: "So it seems that women, just as other oppressed groups, often perpetuate the same prejudicial thoughts or behavior that they’ve experienced in a way to separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority. Competition is formed in order to be ingratiated to those in positions of power or those seen as possessing positive characteristics. "

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engendering equality (Original Post) seabeyond Jun 2012 OP
I admit I have trouble with women sufrommich Jun 2012 #1
I don't get along with other women seabeyond Jun 2012 #2
I have a lot of males in my life too. sufrommich Jun 2012 #3
you are right. that is exactly what it is. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #4
You summed it up perfectly. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #5
I tend to have higher expectations of women friends eridani Jun 2012 #6

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
1. I admit I have trouble with women
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jun 2012

who do this:

"So it seems that women, just as other oppressed groups, often perpetuate the same prejudicial thoughts or behavior that they’ve experienced in a way to separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority. Competition is formed in order to be ingratiated to those in positions of power or those seen as possessing positive characteristics."

and the worst are the women who claim "I have mostly male friends, I don't get along with other women" when I hear this I think, what are you looking for, a pat on the head for being such a good little girl?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. I don't get along with other women
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jun 2012

ahhhh, and i remember the days i was there. hence, understanding this quote so, and why it means so much to me.

when i woke up it was a huge WTF???? what have i been doing. bad me.

lol

i do have way more males around me. but i is chance, not concerted. i do interact with men/boys better, cause i have been around them much more than girls/women. it is just how my life has manifested. ot big on interaction with people. and most born in family, like almost all, are males.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. I have a lot of males in my life too.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jun 2012

I think the difference is that women who claim they don't get along with women wear it as some kind of badge of honor, as if buying into the stereotypical version of women gets you brownie points.

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