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yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:23 PM Nov 2014

Why the Word 'Panties' Is So Awful (And What to Do About It)



The term has hung around for generations, but now the backlash has arrived. Can this simultaneously too-sexualized and too-babyish nickname be retired?

Every month or so, I receive a glossy coupon from Victoria's Secret in my mailbox. "Free panty!" it beckons. "No purchase necessary!"

Reading those words, I cringe a little bit. Not because I hate underwear—I'm an ardent lover of underwear. It's because I hate the word "panty." I hate the plural form of "panty" as well. "Panties" creeps me out.

And apparently I'm not alone. In addition to a slew of blog posts and message boards denouncing the word, The Huffington Post's Zoë Triska named it "the worst word ever." Cracked.com included "panties" in its list of the "Five Words That Need To Be Banned From English."

Why does the word "panties" bother so many people?

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/why-the-word-panties-is-so-awful-and-what-to-do-about-it/273224/
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Why the Word 'Panties' Is So Awful (And What to Do About It) (Original Post) yuiyoshida Nov 2014 OP
I have always cringed when hearing that word katmondoo Nov 2014 #1
Like so many other gender specific words, it's diminutive, like a lesser version of "pants". NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #2
That must be why this term makes me uncomfortable. Chemisse Nov 2014 #3
But some of the very best DUers have a history of using that word.... Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #10
When black and satin or silk, there aren't many other words in the English language. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #11
My mom always called them "britches." Still Blue in PDX Nov 2014 #4
The Brits DustyJoe Nov 2014 #5
Wait...What ? De Leonist Nov 2014 #6
panties are for little mercuryblues Nov 2014 #7
I never refer to a bra as underwear... Phentex Nov 2014 #8
I think I might be one of the few women JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #12
Then, I 'd suggest you not post in this group, with a stated purpose of discussing issues related to hlthe2b Nov 2014 #13
I used to know a guy in high school Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #14
Oh hell ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #15
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Like so many other gender specific words, it's diminutive, like a lesser version of "pants".
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:47 PM
Nov 2014

That's part of it, I think.

It's also been used in some pretty sexist activity descriptions, like "panty raid", and dismissive phrases like "don't get your panties in a bunch".

There isn't an equivalent disturbing term for any male garment that I can think of.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
3. That must be why this term makes me uncomfortable.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:58 PM
Nov 2014

It seems disrespectful of women, but I've never really put my finger on exactly why it seems so. (Although frankly, I've never really thought it over before).

I don't know why the article overlooked the obvious name of 'underpants'. That's what I've always called them, although I often referred to them a 'undies' to my children.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. When black and satin or silk, there aren't many other words in the English language.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 01:45 AM
Nov 2014

None, in my experience, that are commonly used by the women in my circle, maybe having lived only in California and NYC have some effect on this.

"Underwear" or "Bottoms" is a bit less troubling, I suppose.

Briefs use more material, bloomers do as well.

Ladies undergarments! Oh, but that's a rather general term, isn't it.

Seriously, as ever, context is everything.

"Don't get your panties in a bunch" is an insensitive use, or worse, and "Panty Raid" is just creepy.

OTHO, "You left a pair of panties in the dryer" is a benign use of the word, though bottoms is probably better.

Thanks for the blast from the past, five years, how ever did you find that?



De Leonist

(225 posts)
6. Wait...What ?
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

I always thought the word "panties" was meant to refer to lacy, lingerie underwear.

They seriously use that word to refer to everyday regular old cotton underwear for women ? (Don't get me wrong women look damn sexy in those too)

Well I guess that's even further evidence that I live under a rock.

Thank you Dear YuiYoshida for the information.

I always find your posts informative and interesting.

mercuryblues

(14,536 posts)
7. panties are for little
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:03 AM
Nov 2014

girls. Not women. I hate bra and panty sales. IMO, if you are old enough to wear a bra, you are too old to wear panties.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
8. I never refer to a bra as underwear...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:16 AM
Nov 2014

a bra is a bra and the bottoms are underwear. There is no need for the word panty ever. Even for little kids, male or female, I say underwear.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
9. I think I might be one of the few women
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:49 PM
Nov 2014

That it doesn't bother maybe? I've read the article twice -

But why am I thinking that V.S. got pushback for their 'cheekies' advertising a few years back. If we follow the article's suggestion (it's down towards the end) would we refer to them as the type/style?

Like Grannies? Hip hugger briefs? Thongs? Cheekies?


And yep - let's go there . . . Period Grannies?

Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

hlthe2b

(102,304 posts)
13. Then, I 'd suggest you not post in this group, with a stated purpose of discussing issues related to
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

feminism. You can agree or disagree, but do so respectfully.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
14. I used to know a guy in high school
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:42 PM
Nov 2014

(He was dating my best friend) who would absolutely fall apart at the word "panties." I'm embarrassed to say that we used to torture him by saying it over and over in his presence. He'd turn red as a beet, and we thought it was hysterical.

I do personally prefer the word "underwear," or even "undies."

ismnotwasm

(41,995 posts)
15. Oh hell
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

Men or women-- I'll call them panties just to make a point, if the topic comes up. Men get all homophobic, and women talk size and comfort, and are taken aback when I refer to Mens panties.

I like my language to be a gender neutral as possible when it comes to clothes. Most men don't wear bra's, though.

Undergarments have been sexualized for women for a long time. At least now for hertero women and homosexual men, we have some sexy things coming out for the guys. I'd post pictures, but alas, anatomy rules and these are very NSFW.

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