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mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:53 AM Mar 2015

HoF thread

In the last week or so the word Wh* has been used in thread titles. I alerted and the jury came back with a "not hidden" Because you know the word on one occasion was not used to describe a woman. Another time the word was used in the original title for the OP.

Every freaking excuse was invented to allow the post to stand. A question I have is if anyone on this thread expressing outrage served on those juries?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026373383

DEFINITION of 'Trickle-Down Theory'

An economic idea which states that decreasing marginal and capital gains tax rates - especially for corporations, investors and entrepreneurs - can stimulate production in the overall economy. According to trickle-down theory proponents, this stimulus leads to economic growth and wealth creation that benefits everyone, not just those who pay the lower tax rates.


How does this apply to misogyny? The idea that the judicial system, from police to judges, will take rape seriously from the investigative level to the sentencing IF found guilty will trickle down to society that rape is real and be punished appropriately. Thus society will not accept rape culture and treat women with respect.

Just like the economic theory, this is so freaking of the mark it is laughable.

As with any societal changes combating rape, misogyny, sexism it must be a grass roots endeavor. Excising derogatory terms for females from a person's vocabulary is at the very basic level. Not justifying their usage is part of telling those in power that as a society we will not tolerate devaluing woman and crimes against them.

IOW if you want to change something, the change must start with you.




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HoF thread (Original Post) mercuryblues Mar 2015 OP
you know. after the last week. all i saw. experienced. learned. and reading du today.... seabeyond Mar 2015 #1
No, I would vote to hide BainsBane Mar 2015 #2
"IF you want to change something" BainsBane Mar 2015 #3
Thanks mercuryblues Mar 2015 #4
Again, that assumes they see any of that as an issue BainsBane Mar 2015 #5
and who is this man they cheer? supposedly calling out those powerful, getting away with crime. seabeyond Mar 2015 #6
I don't care who he is BainsBane Mar 2015 #8
he was elevated, because supposedly he went after those men elevated, above the law. seabeyond Mar 2015 #9
I just read a defense of an ordinary rapist BainsBane Mar 2015 #10
ya. i saw that this morning. that is why i posted the first post in this thread. too many dismissal seabeyond Mar 2015 #11
And the person is still an active member BainsBane Mar 2015 #12
He was banned BainsBane Mar 2015 #14
well. yea. incredible. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #15
meanwhile, another thread about Snowden BainsBane Mar 2015 #16
assange. and ya.... another one. yes. counting up all the rape apology, i hardly seabeyond Mar 2015 #17
btw... my lack of enthusiasm is not only with du, or even mostly with du. when we read seabeyond Mar 2015 #18
Notice that thread has to be turned into anything but a discussion of justice for rape victims BainsBane Mar 2015 #19
ya. now a days, it is just a matter of doing. cause it is inevitable they will do it and be allowed seabeyond Mar 2015 #20
I saw that post and I appreciated it. ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #13
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. you know. after the last week. all i saw. experienced. learned. and reading du today....
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 12:07 PM
Mar 2015

a thread concerned about the rapist, but victim.... meh, ya it was wrong BUT. and it is a fuggin' big butt, at her expense.

defense of the cutsey little tshirt for men to giggle.... at the expense of the victim.

it is a huge ass..... turn off.

i asked a simple question, in a thread that made a clear boundary to racist and homophobic slurs. i found it telling. and had no energy to "discuss", ....

she leaving it alone in the hypocrisy, of who we are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6354853

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
2. No, I would vote to hide
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:45 PM
Mar 2015

but I'm never called for those juries. I expect that people who like to use that sort of language have most of us on their jury blacklists.
Honestly, I rarely alert on any of that stuff anymore. It's pointless. . . . I've tried to write a number of sentences explaining why that is, but I can't think of one that won't be hidden. That itself is reflective of the problem.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
3. "IF you want to change something"
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mar 2015

If being the operative word. A lot of people see no problem with the status quo, and a few even think women have too much.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
4. Thanks
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

for that reminder. I can't fathom how the disconnect works. How do you go from it is okay to use slurs against women, knowing the usage minimizes women. Then not comprehend how those slurs effect police and the judicial system bend over backwards to minimize sexual crimes against women?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
5. Again, that assumes they see any of that as an issue
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:36 PM
Mar 2015

We had a thread with close to 100 recs insulting as a liar the prosecutor of an accused rapist, on the lam for four years. People insist that accused rapist has every right to evade justice, while to argue for principles of equality before the law or justice for rape victims makes one a "bootlicker." 100 recs for the accused rapist and against the prosecutor who dares to seek justice for his victims. That shows the extent of their regard for rape victims. They not only aren't concerned that the judicial system minimizes crimes against women, they become furious when a prosecutor seeks to hold accountable a man they think should be above the law, least of all for something as inconsequential as sexual assault against mere women.

Your mistake is in assuming any of what you express above matters at all. We have been shown time and time again that it does not.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. and who is this man they cheer? supposedly calling out those powerful, getting away with crime.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:43 PM
Mar 2015

i just think it is ironic as all fuck.

the man.... hiding from prosecution, and the people that back him, cause he outed govt crime (supposedly, but that is a whole other argument).

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
8. I don't care who he is
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:59 PM
Mar 2015

He publishes something people like, so then he gets a free pass forever? It's no different from football fans assuming the women who accuse players of rape are lying. One group admires a man who has a website, another football. In both cases the men are too important to be guilty and women are liars and too insignificant to matter. Both groups contribute to ensuring that rapists aren't prosecuted and their victims vilified. Both elevate a few, chosen men above the law and diminish their women victims to less than nothing. One group is no better than the other, their actions and values identical.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. he was elevated, because supposedly he went after those men elevated, above the law.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:21 AM
Mar 2015

the people cheering him, and elevating him above the law is because he went after those elevated above the law. as they do precisely the same with him.

i agree with you.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
10. I just read a defense of an ordinary rapist
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:27 AM
Mar 2015

a gang rapist at that. The boy is 16 and got probation for participating in a gang rape. A female poster was outraged at the sentence, and the member called her a "Republican" for wanting to spend $50 K a year to lock someone up "for no reason."

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. ya. i saw that this morning. that is why i posted the first post in this thread. too many dismissal
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:28 AM
Mar 2015

of rapes of our girls, and jokes about rape, so early in the morning.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
12. And the person is still an active member
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:43 AM
Mar 2015

because referring to rape as "no reason" is just another difference of opinion.

So we are back to the OP's question. When people don't see rape as serious enough to warrant devoting tax payers funds to punishing, language that reinforces the status quo regarding women and rape is far from problematic.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
16. meanwhile, another thread about Snowden
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

has been posted and we will likely see another 100 recs for that accused rapist evading justice.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. assange. and ya.... another one. yes. counting up all the rape apology, i hardly
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 11:53 AM
Mar 2015

can remember them all. and this is spending almost no time on du.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. btw... my lack of enthusiasm is not only with du, or even mostly with du. when we read
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

biden is giving out 41 million to process the shelved rape kits across the nation, and all that says....

and all we have been talking about the last five years

or blaming an 11 yr old for her rape

or having a conversation on fb why i will not go into hobby lobby to find something i want for my house.....

ya know.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
19. Notice that thread has to be turned into anything but a discussion of justice for rape victims
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:01 PM
Mar 2015

because that is so much less important than what menz care about.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. ya. now a days, it is just a matter of doing. cause it is inevitable they will do it and be allowed
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:12 PM
Mar 2015

to do it.

what can a board do?

it is the way a lot of men are being conditioned to think today, and our boys. and our women and girls, though i see the light on that front.

but.... the conditioning has well been played.

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