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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:09 AM Jul 2012

Tennis Grunting: Women's Tennis Association Aims To Eliminate 'Excessive Grunting'

WIMBLEDON, England -- The WTA says it is working with Grand Slam tournaments and the International Tennis Federation to "drive excessive grunting" out of tennis.

In a statement, the women's professional tour says it is developing a "sport-wide plan" to keep future players from grunting by educating them and instituting rule changes.

The WTA had said in January it was looking at ways to deter players from grunting, noting then that "some fans find it bothersome."




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/tennis-grunting-wta-aims-_n_1631212.html
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Tennis Grunting: Women's Tennis Association Aims To Eliminate 'Excessive Grunting' (Original Post) boston bean Jul 2012 OP
I don't watch tennis - do guys grunt? hedgehog Jul 2012 #1
Here's another article.... boston bean Jul 2012 #2
But...... that article quotes another article that claims hedgehog Jul 2012 #15
wnat to shut her up - beat her rurallib Jul 2012 #3
beat her? cause really.... that even makes sense. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #8
Anti Noise 2on2u Jul 2012 #4
I'm accustomed to the grunting from both men & women.. but that clip isn't grunting... hlthe2b Jul 2012 #5
The crowd seems to be enjoying it. snot Jul 2012 #6
well, that was pretty embarrassing for her. i had always heard men and women grunt seabeyond Jul 2012 #7
i'm sorry this *is* sexist. these women are professional athletes hitting balls at 90+mph... nashville_brook Jul 2012 #9
I agree with you and hlthe2b, redqueen Jul 2012 #11
a handful of years, couple years ago i heard where they were wanting to address the men grunting seabeyond Jul 2012 #14
I think that's presumptuous. redqueen Jul 2012 #16
i think the woman sounds comical and ridiculous. i do not think it matched the hits.... seabeyond Jul 2012 #17
She isn't grunting from exertion 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #13
She's not grunting TlalocW Jul 2012 #10
It starts during the hit, but it fades instead of ending abruptly. nt redqueen Jul 2012 #12
Danm, that's a horrible sound. Control-Z Jul 2012 #18
Navratilova says it's out of hand tishaLA Jul 2012 #19
I quite enjoyed the sound effects and think people are clinging to their personal idea of what the NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #20
i love the diverse opinion and perspectives on this thread. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #21

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
2. Here's another article....
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:25 AM
Jul 2012
No, Wanting Women's Tennis Players To Stop Screaming All The Time Doesn't Make You Sexist

That would be true if male and female tennis players grunted with equal frequency and vigor. But they don't.

The grunts in women's tennis aren't animalistic or natural or involuntary. They aren't the result of intense physical exertion over a long period of time.

In women's tennis, a player's grunts/shrieks/yells are the same pitch, volume, and duration from the first point of the match to the last. They're the same if it's the second shot of the rally or the 22nd.

That's not natural grunting. That's purposeful, ritualized yelling.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/grunting-womens-tennis-isnt-sexist-2012-6#ixzz1zNC3PRzJ

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
15. But...... that article quotes another article that claims
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jul 2012

women and men do grunt with equal frequency!

hlthe2b

(102,397 posts)
5. I'm accustomed to the grunting from both men & women.. but that clip isn't grunting...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:49 AM
Jul 2012

I thought it was the crowd making the noise, but it is sort of bizarre--almost Tourette Syndrome-like shrieking. But, I surely don't like the WTA going after the issue. It needs to be gender-neutral or not at all.

I find this even more annoying given how they are going about addressing it. Maybe they just need to hand out earplugs for those who find it so distressing.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. well, that was pretty embarrassing for her. i had always heard men and women grunt
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jul 2012

they have been talking about this for years. a couple of both genders have used it and they say it is not all about exertion. but, the noise this woman was making is stupid.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
9. i'm sorry this *is* sexist. these women are professional athletes hitting balls at 90+mph...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

Sharapova has served at 120+mph. no one is going to tell Sharapova what she can or can't do vocally on the court. moreover, women playing at that level are well accustomed to the noise, if they weren't they'd not be champions.

what they *are* going to do is train the girls and young women coming up in the sport using VU meters and penalizing for noise above a threshold. and help me out if i'm wrong... i'm not seeing where there's a similar initiative for young men and boys. so this is sending the message to young women that they must silence themselves...and that is sexist.



redqueen

(115,103 posts)
11. I agree with you and hlthe2b,
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

if they don't apply these same standards to boys and men, it is undeniably sexist.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. a handful of years, couple years ago i heard where they were wanting to address the men grunting
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jul 2012

cause there was a particular man that was excessive. i remember reading about it

but, what this woman is doing is not a grunt of exertion. and i have not heard any man use this sound.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
16. I think that's presumptuous.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the fact that a man hasn't made a similar sound is no barometer IMO.

If they were wanting to do it before, than that's even more reason why any of this now should be applied to both or neither.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. i think the woman sounds comical and ridiculous. i do not think it matched the hits....
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jul 2012

i think both gender use noise to effect the others performance.

having been in so many sports, and competitive for so many years, i am looking at it from that perspective. i think it could be as harmful to the person that is trying to use it as what they are trying to accomplish. so to me, as an athlete, i think it is silliness. but, i know athletes get these things in their heads.

if it is a natural thing for her, it is beyond odd. but, ok.... i would not want to make any adjustments. i do not know this woman, and i have not watched enough to make a judgment.

on the whole issue of making noise to have an advantage? i think it is unsportsmanlike. i was never into the games.

i dont think it is something that can be weighted on if done purposely or if natural so i think it cannot be something regulated.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
13. She isn't grunting from exertion
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jul 2012

this is just yelling.

Big difference.

Also the WTA is headed by a woman (she made this call). And male tennis players don't seem to do this.

Oh and in men's sports (I'm not sure about tennis specifically) there are lots of penalties if you just start screaming at another player.
Do that and you can be ejected from the game.

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
10. She's not grunting
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jul 2012

Some of her Whooos came after she hit the ball. Certain things do help with physical exertion and are even natural like grunting - you never hear an Olympic weightlifter be silent when doing a lift. I don't know what she thinks her whooos accomplish.

If she wants to do this, she should be made to break it up and throw in different noises like, "Hai-keeba!," "Hotcha!," and "Boogedy!" Maybe she could be the first athlete to endorse products through her vocalizations. Maybe companies would pay her to yell, "Audi!," or "Cheerios!" after each hit.

TlalocW

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
18. Danm, that's a horrible sound.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jul 2012

I wonder if the purpose is to psyche out her competitors? Seems to be working in this clip.

Neither gender should make unnatural obnoxious noises. I've inadvertently fallen asleep with my TV on and tuned to a channel that airs tennis early Sunday mornings. Nothing like being woken up by the grunts of some tennis player - male or female - especially when trying to sleep in.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
19. Navratilova says it's out of hand
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:19 PM
Jul 2012

....and she's hardly a tool of the patriarchy. The most disturbing thing to me is that many of the women who do "excessive grunting" do it most on big points (see: Williams, Serena); they can be playing at a normal noise level throughout most of the match, but on a break point, for example, they amp up the volume to unconscionable levels. That, to me, indicates that they see it as a kind of competitive advantage and that it distracts their opponents, who can hear the sound of the ball hitting the racquet far less clearly than otherwise.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
20. I quite enjoyed the sound effects and think people are clinging to their personal idea of what the
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

...sport "should look like".

Other sports allow for progress, skis and bindings change, for example.

And swimmers began shaving their bodies and wearing custom low-drag suits.

Did anyone gripe about how these were unfair advantages???

I saw bring on the hoots and woots, and even the "Ki Ayes" and "Boogedys".

In contrast, conventional (old school) tennis is a bit TOO quite anyway, like golf.

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