History of Feminism
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Atheism as the absence of a belief in a god is the rational baseline.
Equality as the absence of any discrimination of women is the rational baseline.
The primary belief in the existence of a god is irrational and a mental defect.
The primary belief in the superiority of men is irrational and a mental defect.
The secondary belief in the power of prayer, the afterlife and such is also irrational and a mental defect.
The secondary belief in the male entitlement of reducing women to be used as bodies as is done in domination, pornography, prostitution and promiscuity is also irrational and a mental defect.
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Sexist men are unconcerned about the harm done by their belief of being justified to use women.
But both the perpetrators and the victims are brainwashed by education to believe in male superiority. The men are brainwashed to feel entitled to use women, the women are brainwashed into acquiescence and even participation. Instead of being able to defend themselves against being used, they allow themselves to be used.
Christian moral not only allows men to feel and act superior, but it also limits how much harm men are allowed to do as a consequence of their false belief in their superiority.
The tragedy for women are the men, who when discarding their false belief in a god also discard the restrictions of christian morals to how much harm they do because of their false belief in their superiority. Atheist men, who maintain the false belief in their superiority, do more harm to women then men, who are restricted by religious morals. When a man frees himself from false beliefs, he has to get rid also of the false belief in male superiority.
http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/feministatheists/forum/topics/comparing-the-harm-of-false-beliefs
edit: i do not necessarily agree or disagree with the atheist POV. that is not my position nor argument. but, there are people that are atheist. and this is addressing that POV.
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LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)The worst may be those whose religious beliefs are in the direction of male superiority - or perhaps those who already believe in male superiority adjust their religious beliefs accordingly!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just because a man is not religious does not mean he is not part of the problem. that religion is not solely the issue to the misogyny, today. i am not much into weighing who is "the worst". not my job. can't be done. but, i do know misogyny is an issue in the atheist community and this is one woman that spoke out.
and at least in religion they are told "reducing women to be used as bodies as is done in domination, pornography, prostitution and promiscuity" is not ok.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)This atheist male believes in the full equality of all human beings.
Few institutions in history have done more damage to the concept of the equality of all people than the Abrahamic religions and their evil continues to this day.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)who are restricted by religious morals."
Yep. There's a thread in the Atheists and Agnostics group which demonstrates this well. The uproar caused after Rebecca Watson dared to tackle the issue of sexism and misogyny at atheists conferences opened up a huge rift and many still aren't getting it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the atheist community. even when a poster flat out says it comes from religious org., the poster that started the OP isnt honest enough to put in a link to show it comes from the atheist community or what is actually being discussed. total bullshit thread in dishonesty.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)
For any progressive movement, there is always going to be the reactionary few who don't just object to and resist progress (for whatever reason), but who go further and actively work to obfuscate, deny, misinform, etc.
We've seen it before and we'll keep seeing it, even long after the majority in society have moved on.
Kali
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"Christian moral not only allows men to feel and act superior, but it also limits how much harm men are allowed to do as a consequence of their false belief in their superiority.
The tragedy for women are the men, who when discarding their false belief in a god also discard the restrictions of christian morals to how much harm they do because of their false belief in their superiority. Atheist men, who maintain the false belief in their superiority, do more harm to women then men, who are restricted by religious morals. When a man frees himself from false beliefs, he has to get rid also of the false belief in male superiority."
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)Oh, the bigotry!!!!!!
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)...your #4 was alerted on, too, with a similar complaint.
(1-5 to LEAVE IT.)
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Yeah, I've had to back slowly out of the other thread started on this OP.
Unreal....
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I think it's the latter.
