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Related: About this forum"I never raped anybody, why should I care? It's not *my* fault."
Men Can Stop Rape...because men are raped. We don't like to think about it, and we don't like to talk about it, but its a fact. Studies show that a staggering 10‐20% of males are sexually violated at some point in their lives. Men are not immune to the epidemic of sexual violence. Nor are male survivors safe from the stigma that society attaches to victims of rape. When reporting the assault, male survivors are often doubted, called gay, or blamed for their own victimization. Frequently, they respond, as do many female survivors, by remaining silent and suffering alone.
...because rape confines men. Taking into account that 80% of victims know the man that raped them, it becomes virtually impossible for women to distinguish safe guys from men who are dangerous and therefore a potential rapist. The result is a society with its guard up. Relationships with men are approached with fear and mistrust. Intimacy is limited by the constant threat of violence.
...because men know survivors. At some point in every man's life, someone close to him will likely disclose that they are a survivor of sexual violence. Men must be prepared to respond with sensitivity, compassion, and understanding. Ignorance on the part of men can only hinder the healing process and may even contribute to the survivor feeling even more victimized. A supportive male presence during a survivor's recovery, however, can be invaluable.
...because men can STOP rape. Rape is using sex as a weapon for power and control. For rape to stop, men must be empowered to make different choices. All men can play a vital role in this process by challenging rape‐supporting behaviors and by raising awareness about the damaging impact of rape. Every time a man's voice joins those of women in speaking out against rape, the world becomes safer for us all.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)choose.
it really is not asking so much.
no more than to the christian who sees the good in their faith, but also sees the harms and ADDRESSES them and acknowledges them, and speaks out within the community.
simply sitting with buddies and one joke about getting the girls drunk and challenging that friend does a hell of a lot.
when yale men are chanting no means yes.... the men that are aware speaks out against those young men.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)man is holding up work for two hours....
FUCKIN CALL HIM on it and dont sit around for two hours until the woman does it.
MuseRider
(34,133 posts)and it finally sunk in but it took this level of abuse of women to get him to see it.
We can't stop it, we are the victims most of the time. It is the bigotry. We HAVE come a long way in changing things but the moment there is a chink in the armor it gets filled and widened very quickly. The backlash has been slowly increasing and now it is a full fledged tsunami of anti women in both legislation and life. We have tried and we will continue to try but men have to be willing to stick their necks out past the need to belong to the good ole boys club and stop it where it starts, with the language. I find they can't usually stand it for long and end up posting a misogynist joke in the end and acceptance is assured. I have tired of watching it and seeing this result almost every time.
Personally I don't think it will ever change. The misogynist attitudes and actions give men, in the large group, way too much pleasure for oh so many reasons. It is like any other kind of bigotry. You can quell it for a while but then society changes a tiny bit for whatever reason and bigotry seems to be the first thing that increases. The first result is an increase in severe abuse like rape.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fuckin sandusky was what made it click for him. amazing.
and excellent post. and i agree totally.
there is a pay off for men. when there is a payoff, it does not matter the logic or right and wrong.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to my boys. i know damn well they are not going ot be the rapist, but i tell them, they are not going to be the one to stay quiet, either. that is all on them, makes them less and part of the problem.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I think they did a great job with this campaign.
Bystander Intervention Campaign
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)At first, I thought it might have some religious affiliation, not necessarily bad in itself, but misses the point at times. This site does NOT miss the point--that we live in a rape culture and mean can stop it.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)I bring this up (yes, I am a female) because a male friend of mine at college was a Frat friend of a "man" who bragged --when drunk and sober--that he would have sex with any woman he wanted and that he would "play along" with those who wanted to fight him.
My friend did the right thing and helped those college students raped by the man get justice.
I bet a lot of men don't want to admit it because it makes them uncomfortable or they want to believe there friends are just bragging BUT Men know Men who Rape and can stop it.
I know I have heard men talk to me about things their male friends have said and done that have made them uncomfortable... yet they don't say anything to their male friends about it.
Every time now, I ask them "Maybe you could speak up about that kind of thing the next time you see it? Silence is kind of condoning it as OK."
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I would flip out and no longer be a friend. No patience or tolerance. I have none.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is an amazing friend. not many men would be able to do that. an incredible person, really.
and you are right on with your post.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)women were getting raped in those things. takes minutes and he is gone.
so.... the alert went out about those rooms, hence what i assume, the womans fear.
yes, stress level goes up when a woman finds herself trapped in a less than safe place. yes, it is a bummer. and yes, i wish it was not like that.
thank you for that post. thank you for take a bit of time to understand. and even act a little differently about it.
and i dont know how others feel, but a call out.... i think is not so bad. or as you do, laggin further behind the woman, letting her know the space is opening up.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Anything I can do to reduce the threat level I do.
Peace
redqueen
(115,103 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)But I can't keep quiet. I see and hear these things, and think WTF? WTactualF?
How is it possible that anyone still doesn't 'get' rape culture? How are we still here having 'date' rape rationalized and excused? (Among so many other things...)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:12 PM - Edit history (2)
girls do not mean it.
not how they interpret it. one time. or the other 61% meant NO.
lol
just.... we can convince them that their no really means yes.
WTlivinF?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Straight-up, MRA playbook, date-rape apology... right here on DU.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)The excuse making and mental gymnastics (right here on DU) is absolutely fucking mind boggling.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)and how important it is to combat it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is to remember and understand and know.... this is a minority. that is a hard one, when hearing this. and that is ANOTHER reason MEN are so IMPORTANT in all this and them calling it out. not only for the men they are calling out, letting them know that it is not ok. but, for us women to KNOW it is not ALL men. why men should get so much applause and pat on the back and thank yous.... for calling this out says how much women need to hear from those men, too.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this in my world. so it allows the better understanding what is out there, that i would never believe, for the most part.
MuseRider
(34,133 posts)why, if you do not condone this action, do you not say something both to the person who brags, jokes or does it and why do you not do anything about it? THAT is the problem. There are so many ways our society (mostly men but also women and just groups in general) excuse this by letting it go.
Why is it so hard to say something when a nasty joke is told that demeans women? It seems many do not recognize that as a huge part of the problem. Dehumanizing someone or a group of someone's is always a good start leading to abuse. So why is it so hard? Are they as afraid of a group of men as we might be? Are they afraid they will be dehumanized or belittled by being compared to, ACK!, a little girl? Why can't they take that?
I have seen that with my husband and my sons. My sons are getting it but they are part of the age group that thinks using words takes away their power. It has been a hard slog with them but I think as they are getting older, late 20's, they are finally getting it. My husband tries then ends up lol-ing at someone else's dirty joke, always about women. It makes me so angry but he is trying and getting better slowly. He comes from the most misogynistic family I think I have ever known. Thankfully his generation is coming around since all the old men are dead. Still, why is it just not a brick to the head of recognition and then a change of behavior? Why are men scared of men?
Hope this made sense, done as a fly by. I am interested in this topic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i hear ya. i have two sons also. and a wonderful hubby, that just does not get it all. it makes it hard. i tell him, the world was not this 18 yrs ago when we married i did not have a clue i would be feeling the way i do today, as a woman, way back then. i cant change who i am.
it is probably the only thing that we trip up with each other cause, he just does not place the same importance or effected or have the understanding as a womans experience. it is a challenge. not to overwhelm but to stay true.
MuseRider
(34,133 posts)when I try to make him understand. One thing I have done is to just say, I can't do that it would not be safe. He looks at me like I am crazy. One was going to the store alone late at night. While I am not particularly afraid of that there was a time when there were a bunch of incidents around the town with women being harassed, robbed, carjacked or taken from parking lots. Now he goes with me and he actually stands outside the car and watches as I take the cart to the cart corral. To this day I am amazed by that. This is a man who would drop me off someplace dark and scary and drive off almost before I closed the door to the car. I hate to go to the barn alone at night, now he goes with me and shares the chores. I told him about the occasional weirdo's who would drive all the way up to the barn just to see what was there and how it scared me. He never understood why, it does not scare him. Now he knows. When you really get to thinking about it you could almost become a basket case about all the situations you could find yourself in that are particularly worrisome for women. I hate to say it but I am the biggest part of the problem. I tend to "cowgirl up", put on my bravest face and say I can do and face anything thrown at me. Well, perhaps I can but should I have to? None of us should ever have to be afraid of the things we worry about but it is there, like it or not. Like your thread about experiences. Man, when I have time I will have to post to that one.
Helen Reddy
(998 posts)are being raped by other MEN.
The MRA's need to be reminded of that from time to time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Including his own sister, I say that said idiots who think rape is not their problem are not men, but douches.
ChazII
(6,206 posts)Not sure if this is the thread to post this link in but it might shed some light on the men and how they think.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)employment,! even! if! it! paid! a! lower! wage! than! what! they! were! currently! earning,! the!
majority! of !the! respondents! said! they! would! consider! taking! or !definitely! take! an! alternative!
job.
this is a horrible article to copy and paste. for a man to justify in his man that a person 'chooses" to do this cause they are oh so horney and just really likes sex is the insult that is just beyond. if they are going to use another human being, at least be fuckin honest that you are USING a person in their desperation.
since the afghani boys being mens "dancers" i have seen our boys are a part of this also. the vulnerable. the vulnerable. by those with power
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)From Men of Strength at the U of Montana's "My best move..." campaign.
Missoula County Sheriff Carl Ibsen. (I thought it was Patrick Stewart at first, LOL.)
On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/UMMenOfStrength
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)From their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/UMMenOfStrength
river or putting in some miles on the trail, don't let your buddy give men a bad name. Let him know how you feel about street/river/trail harassment and we'll all enjoy our summer that much more!
Reply from a woman:
And their response:
Thanks for commenting XXXXX, if whistles don't bother you, that's great! One less thing to worry about! But, not everyone feels the same way. I guess that's the thing with whistles and comments intended for somebody you don't know: you just
don't know how they're going to interpret it. A whistle may be meant as a compliment but be interpreted as a threat. Research also shows that whistles and catcalls are part of a spectrum of sexual violence; they are behaviors that can lead to more severe actions, and even if they don't, they perpetuate a culture which objectifies women and supports sexualized aggression and violence. We don't think guys need to stop interacting with women altogether, we just don't think that yelling "hey baby" out the window of a passing car is the way to do it. How about an old-fashioned introduction?
Nice.
Im officially impressed. Getting whistled at, honked at, yelled out is NOT a complement to me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or being the one it was done to.
i always FELT it was a way to demean and embarass, have power over.... in what ever stupid ass way men feel they have to have it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and even greater than the man that addresses a man behavior, is taking on the woman.
booo yahh
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)than me.
this is what these men do for me. as a woman.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Someone commented that they loved that it said "ally to women" and not that they would "protect" women.
Yes, that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)men, .... grown ups, adult men are saying ENOUGH.
good for him
really, you do not know what a turn on this is, lol. warms my heart.
thanks
and guys, do not try to be fakin it, cause the truth shines in action, if a man truly believes. so do not be using it as a "hit" chick magnet thing. authenticity is clear to most. so is insincerity.
MuseRider
(34,133 posts)Not to be using it as a "hit" chick magnet thing. LOL. That was the first thing I thought too. Paranoid? Yes, with adequate reasons to be so. I don't think the men in this group would put up with that Feels good to say that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)amazing.
MuseRider
(34,133 posts)Yes! This is what needs to happen. This kind of thing needs to spread.
Nobody whistles at me anymore, too old now and that is great but I still see and hear this crap directed at younger women. Or at least I hear about it, I am too isolated now to really ever be around when something like this would happen.
I have lived my life waiting for something like this. It is always nice to talk to or see a post by a single man who gets it, who does this but to see an organization of this is something truly special. Men need to make this happen. The victims are never able to do it themselves, never. Civil rights needed people who were not victims as allies. LGBT civil rights in this time need allies. Women do too, people, men, who will support and try to take care of their dirty side of the aisle so we can work together with women leading the way as it should be. Not to protect but to ally with. Wonderful.
I am smiling <-----see?