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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:05 PM Jul 2015

Where does the ABA stand on 2ndA? ACLU?

I was wondering how the American Bar Association (ABA) currently views 2ndA after heller & macdonald supreme court decisions. ABA has previously supported the militia interpretation. I tried googling but came up with little current, except one blurb that ABA is currently just trying to promote a fix to gun violence, & so I suspect maybe they are, as legal beagles, end played into supporting scotus decisions. ACLU however, is not, & still supports the militia view.

guncite 1993 (pro gun website, cited only for the reference to ABA & ACLU): This simple 27 word sentence {2ndA}cannot get any respect. It is ignored and disregarded by the American Bar Association, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the legal academy. For the most part, the legal community has down-played the Second Amendment by endorsing the view that the amendment protects only the right of states to maintain militias free from federal disarmament. This view, to which both the ABA and the ACLU subscribe is known as the collective.. interpretation. http://www.guncite.com/journals/quinshy.html

ABA past positions on guncontrol: 1983 The ABA supports the enactment of appropriate penalties to deter firearms-related crimes; endorses effective and proven measures to control the possession of handguns; and opposes efforts to repeal provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
2004 The ABA supports stronger enforcement and prosecution of federal gun laws
2011 The ABA urges jurisdictions that allow the carrying of concealed weapons to grant broad discretion to law enforcement authorities to determine whether a permit or license should be issued .. The resolution also opposes federal legislation that would force states to recognize permits or licenses to carry concealed weapons issued in another state.
2012 The ABA opposes governmental actions and policies that limit the rights of physicians and other health care providers to inquire of their patients whether they possess guns and how they are secured in the home or to counsel their patients about the dangers of guns in the home and safe practices to avoid those dangers
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/gun_violence/policy.html

ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union (which we can love & hate every now & then, eh?!): Updated: 1/17/2013 "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
ACLU POSITION Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view. This position is currently under review and is being updated by the ACLU National Board in light of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller in 2008.
In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions.
ANALYSIS Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties.
Heller takes a different approach than the ACLU has advocated. At the same time, it leaves many unresolved questions, including what firearms are protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations (short of an outright ban) may be upheld, and how that determination will be made.
https://www.aclu.org/second-amendment

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Where does the ABA stand on 2ndA? ACLU? (Original Post) jimmy the one Jul 2015 OP
We rarely see this much concise information in one place. Thanks. nt flamin lib Jul 2015 #1
NEA and PTA too, pro gun control jimmy the one Jul 2015 #2

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
2. NEA and PTA too, pro gun control
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
Jul 2015

Thanks for the kind words of support, flaming lib.
Here are a couple more groups I'm pretty sure supported the militia interpretation, but all I can bring up today, being rushed, is this from a pro gun website. It contends the PTA (parent teacher assoc) and the NEA (national education assoc), did not align with the individual rkba position.
They use propaganda calling NEA & PTA 'anti-gun' which isn't really true, they're just for the more reasonable guncontrol approach to far right lunacy; but article suggests they did not support the individual rkba in 2006. I left in the last sentence to show how much the author went to smear the NEA & PTA for being 'anti-gun', both paradigms at treachery & treason, eh?

July 13, 2006 Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of educators in the United States appear to promote an anti-gun agenda or, at the very least, prefer not to teach the Second Amendment in its true light.
We base this opinion, in part, on the fact that the United States Parent-Teacher Association and the National Education Association are both openly anti-gun organizations.
We further base our opinion on the fact that the public education system at large seems aligned with the left-leaning socialist agenda that also dominates the dinosaur media and the Democractic Party.
These are organizations and individuals who side with the enemy during wartime, attack Christian expression while simultaneously supporting public, other-than-Christian religious expression, and support the licensing and registration of guns while secretly conniving to confiscate every one of them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1664835/posts

Laughable, eh?!!! Sad, too, for how in the world did this type mentality, take hold & supersede the more rational approach?
Answer: GWBush/Cheney stealing the 2000 election, appointing ashcroft, alito & roberts.

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