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Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:27 AM Aug 2015

If Switchblades Can be Banned, Why Not Guns?

Switchblades are banned in a number of states, and in a number of countries.

For example (from Wikipedia)
Belgium
Article 3, §1 of the 2006 Weapons Act lists the switchblade or automatic knife (couteaux à cran d’arrêt et à lame jaillissante) as a prohibited weapon. In Belgium, the police and local jurisdictions are also allowed to prohibit the carrying or possession of a wide variety of knives, which are not explicitly banned by law, if the owner cannot establish a legitimate reason (motif légitime) for having that knife, particularly in urban areas or at public events.[34][34][35]

Canada
Switchblades are mostly illegal to sell, buy, trade, carry and possess. Part III of the Criminal Code defines such knives as prohibited weapons (armes défendues). While certain businesses can be granted a license to acquire and possess prohibited weapons such as switchblades for use as props in movie productions, these exemptions do not apply to individuals.
Also banned in Mexico, Spain, Slovenia, etc.

A bunch of U.S. states ban the switchblade too. Wisconsin, Hawaii, Colorado, Washington, etc.

Switchblades have been banned in jurisdictions in which they have been deemed a menace to society. Yet guns kill far more innocent people. To the gun-worshiper, the gun has an almost mythical quality about it, as if ownership of the god was granted by Providence itself. BUT IT'S JUST A MATERIAL OBJECT! And as such, like switchblades and ricin, it should be subject to being banned, when the harm it causes far exceeds any good it accomplishes.

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If Switchblades Can be Banned, Why Not Guns? (Original Post) Herman4747 Aug 2015 OP
Short answer? The US has a gun-fetish. DetlefK Aug 2015 #1
Because the switchblade industry..... daleanime Aug 2015 #2
Because there isn't a National Switchblade Association? nt flamin lib Aug 2015 #3
Because there is no National Knife Association fighting against it. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #4
Actually, there is. Llewlladdwr Aug 2015 #6
Certain types of guns can be legally banned GoldenEagle16 Aug 2015 #5
Interesting article about the banning of switchblades, and the results. Brickbat Aug 2015 #7
The question is are switchblades arms under the second amendment Statistical Aug 2015 #8

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Short answer? The US has a gun-fetish.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:45 AM
Aug 2015

Israel, Switzerland and Czechia have similar percentages of gun-ownership, yet "the gun" is nowhere near as mystified and venerated in those countries.

Well, a law that was made 230 years ago for the society of 230 years ago, the foreign policy of 230 years ago and the technology of 230 years ago is surely mighty fine and applicable nowadays.

GoldenEagle16

(40 posts)
5. Certain types of guns can be legally banned
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:47 PM
Aug 2015

AWBs are a perfect example. Guns that don't meet legal length requirements (like sawed off shotguns) are another.

The only thing that cannot be banned right now are handguns - Heller says it is a constitutional right to own a handgun in your home for self defense.

So to answer your question - there is no legal impediment to banning many types of guns but you cannot ban them all.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
8. The question is are switchblades arms under the second amendment
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015

To my knowledge there have been no legal challenges on switchblade bans since the Heller v. DC decision. It is possible such a challenge could be made. In my opinion they wouldn't survive (see US v. Miller) because the courts probably would not find that a switchblade is not "arms" under the second amendment and thus any laws banning them would not be unconstitutional.

Held:
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm
unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

...

None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation.
Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor
Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264–265, refutes the individual rights
interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to
self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban
on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an
entire class of “arms”
that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the
lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny
the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this
prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense
of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional
muster.
Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the
home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible
for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and
is hence unconstitutional.


Heller v. DC (2013)
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