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flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:22 AM Aug 2015

I have recently posted about the gun violence and "triggertrash" littering our national parks

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629493 and here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629518

If you're like me you're probably wondering how these public places held aside for hikers, campers and families to return to the pristine solitude of nature became both dangerous and loud with gunfire.

Well, here it is . . .

How a Last-Minute Amendment to a Credit Card Law Rewrote the Rules for Guns in National Parks

Amid reports of a rise in backcountry shooting, a look back at the maneuvering that brought more firearms into America's most protected open spaces.

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/national-forests-parks-firearms-gun/

The use and possession of firearms in national forests has always been generally permitted. But a few years ago, gun rights advocates fought a battle to change the policy for the forests’ more-protected cousins, National Parks. While the two types of wilderness preserves are often located adjacent to one another . . . National Parks largely forbid the possession of firearms.
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The first firearm regulations on National Park grounds were put in place in 1936, when the Department of the Interior restricted gun possession and use to prevent poaching. The policy was enhanced in 1983 to prohibit possessing, carrying, or using a firearm outside of certain approved areas and hunting seasons, with an exception for firearms kept in a car or mobile home “when such implements are rendered inoperable or packed, cased or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.”
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It’s a policy that remained for a quarter century, until its demise six years (ago) under unexpected circumstances. Elizabeth Warren — not yet the junior senator from Massachusetts — played a prominent role in securing the passage of the Credit CARD Act of 2009.
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Soon after the compromise announcement (that garnered enough votes to pass), an amendment to the bill was introduced, quickly voted on, and passed. This new measure had nothing to do with borrowers or lenders. Instead, Section 512 carried the title “Protecting Americans from Violent Crimes,” and it dismantled all existing federal restrictions on firearm possession for visitors to the national park system outside Alaska. State laws — including concealed carry statutes — would govern national forest areas instead.


Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and a few others slipped the amendment into the Credit Bill at the last minute when there wasn't enough time to debate it because he knew it wouldn't pass in any other way. Nobody wanted it.

Now, I wasn't aware that visitors to National Parks were under such dire threat of violent crime. Perhaps someone else can enlighten me about the violent crime wave that swept the National Parks six years ago. Anybody? Anybody?

So because of Tom Coburn visitors to National Parks are literally at risk of losing their lives to random gunfire. Thanks, Tom!

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I have recently posted about the gun violence and "triggertrash" littering our national parks (Original Post) flamin lib Aug 2015 OP
Republicans are as sick as the mass media they own and only slightly less ill than the NRA. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
Shooting area HassleCat Aug 2015 #2
This is particularly heartbreaking for me. flamin lib Aug 2015 #3
What a piece of shit Tom Coburn is. So glad he's gone. (nt) Paladin Aug 2015 #4
As I mentioned in one of those threads... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #5
re: "triggertrash", I'd wager that Jen Sorensen reads here. I don't know if she posts. Electric Monk Aug 2015 #6

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Republicans are as sick as the mass media they own and only slightly less ill than the NRA.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Aug 2015

"Democracy dies in the dark" - which is exactly where the GOP wants to send it.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Shooting area
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:31 AM
Aug 2015

When I worked for the Forest Service, I sometimes drove through an informal shooting range. Unfortunately, the shooters stood on one side of the road and fired at targets on the other side, so I had to stop and make sure they would hold their fire before I could continue. This place was so heavily used there were several large fir trees toppled by gunfire. You can imagine how many rounds it takes to cut down a two foot Douglas fir tree; it must be thousands. The area was closed when one of the gun persons decided to kill a man just to see what it felt like to shoot someone. There was some debate about closing the area to shooting. Some people wanted them to congregate at that spot because they thought it would be easier to keep an eye on them if the weren't spread all over the forest. Other people thought the "fraternity" atmosphere of all those shooters getting together contributed to the murder.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
3. This is particularly heartbreaking for me.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:40 AM
Aug 2015

My wife retires in 7 months, 2 weeks and 3 days (but who's counting). We plan to buy a small travel trailer and tour the country but now, because of the reporting I've seen on our National Forests and Parks, I'm afraid we won't be able to enjoy that part of our retirement.

I don't hate guns but by golly I'm starting to hate a bunch of asshole gun owners.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
5. As I mentioned in one of those threads...
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:21 PM
Aug 2015

...I think firearms should be prohibited in the National Parks. Even when shooters are taking proper safety precautions, the noise can ruin the experience for others. People go to these parks to experience the beauty and serenity of the outdoors, not to hear gunfire.

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