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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 09:43 PM Jan 2016

Saw Star Wars and found it disappointing (spoilers)

This movie to me just seemed like it was written very poorly. There was practically no character development. A perfect opportunity to introduce new characters and to me...they were all flat. Nothing was explained about any of them.

Another problem I had is this movie seems almost like a rewrite of Episode 4's plot...planet-killing Death Star and all but with horrible pacing. They seriously couldnt think of a better plot?

As for the character, Rey. I had lots of problems with her. No weaknesses. No flaws. She can't fire Han Solo's gun but can beat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel? I had some people tell me that Rey is a "Mary Sue" character. And after watching this movie...I can see why. She can't be beaten. She seems invincible. Everything is very easy for her. She's already beaten the villain. I mean with the original trilogy, Luke had trouble beating Vader, even gets his hand cut off by him. It's easy to see Vader was by far superior to Luke. But Rey already mastered the Force and is better than the villain.

It was an OK movie. It was entertaining. But I think this movie is far overrated. I don't understand how anyone who was a fan of the original trilogy is giving this movie a 10.

Just my opinion though.

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Saw Star Wars and found it disappointing (spoilers) (Original Post) davidn3600 Jan 2016 OP
Kylo Ren was already injured by Finn and Chewbacca. RandySF Jan 2016 #1
Perhaps, but Rey still never fails like Luke at one point did davidn3600 Jan 2016 #2
I have a feeling Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #3
Well, zero character development made this impossible to make out davidn3600 Jan 2016 #4
I do disagree Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #5
As for why they didn't destroy the base first? Action_Patrol Jan 2016 #6
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
2. Perhaps, but Rey still never fails like Luke at one point did
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jan 2016

Part of the point of a good protagonist is that they aren't perfect. They can fail. Even comic book heroes have vulnerabilities and weaknesses. Watching the character overcome those weaknesses, struggles, and failures over the course of the story is what makes the whole story worth watching. That's basic character development you learn about in a high school writing class.

Like I said, Luke trained and trained and trained to learn how to use the Force. It didn't just come to him. And he got in trouble and needed to be saved and rescued by Obi-Wan more than once.
With Rey, she gets captured and can all of a sudden out of the blue perform Jedi mind tricks (literally) to get out of any situation she's in. She can suddenly call the lightsaber past Kylo Ren and know how to use it.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
3. I have a feeling
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

She will be revealed as one of the Jedi Students at Luke's Academy that Kylo Ren soured and destroyed. She would have been very young when she was transplanted into the desert wasteland of Jakku.
Maybe her memories were suppressed and contact with the Lightsaber ignited them. Hell, Obi Wan's force ghost talks to her when she touches it. Calls her by name (this is confirmed, they edited Alec Guinness saying the word 'afraid' to change it to 'Rey', the rest of the sentence is said by Ewan McGregor's Obi Wan).

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
4. Well, zero character development made this impossible to make out
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jan 2016

And it's not just Rey. What exactly made Finn change? All it took was his stormtrooper buddy getting shot? That's it? The plot appears lazy. The characters have no depth. You really don't feel much for any of them, even the villains. The First Order, Hux, and Kylo don't have the same evilness and sense of dread you felt with the Empire, Tarkin, and Vader.

And it's the same recycled plot of Ep 4. They had a planet-killer weapon with some major vulnerability that the Resistance is able to easily attack and destroy the whole damn thing. They even had a droid carrying a secret message for the rebellion! The future Jedi hero is on a desert planet unaware of their destiny. It's all been done already. Did JJ Abrams get messed up and thought he was doing a reboot instead of a sequel? I've seen A New Hope dozens of times since I was a kid! I wanted something different. What's Episode 8 going to be about? Will it copy Empire Strikes Back? They might as well call it First Order Strikes Back!

One other problem with the plot...they destroy five planets with their weapon. But they don't destroy the planet with the base? Isn't the common sense strategy of war to take out the defense capabilities first? Who the hell destroys the Senate before the military?

I know Disney just wants to make some money. But geez, they could at least come up with a new idea or some characters with more depth.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
5. I do disagree
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 01:56 AM
Jan 2016

They do address Finn. Children are taken from their parents at birth and pulled into the storm trooper ranks for brainwashing. 'Finn' is on his first assignment and revolts knowing it's not him and he won't participate.
Is it a bit of a rehash of the original Star Wars? Absolutely. Given that we haven't had a decent Star Wars movie since 1983, I'll accept it. The prequels were an emotionless computer generated documentary on the Uncanny Valley. There was no danger, no stakes, everything looked sanitized and saccharine. At least with this one, I can buy into character development. This is a series built on the old Rocketmen/Buck Rodgers serials and I welcome the new chapter. The prequels were devoid of life and excitement

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
6. As for why they didn't destroy the base first?
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 01:58 AM
Jan 2016

Same reason every movie with a McGuffin doesn't end without it being solved. It's the adventure.

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