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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:13 PM Apr 2015

Drastic Changes Are Coming to Washington State's Medical Marijuana Industry


Ignorant politicians of WA state. How ignorant does one have to be to see the history, see what is going on around the nation, and then sign off on stupid stuff like this.

Voting time will be here, and I will make it a point to remind people what these fools are costing them. And coming up is a time when perhaps they should have listened.


...
First of all, most dispensaries are likely to shut down, meaning that if you're a patient you’ll have fewer options for buying medical marijuana. The city of Seattle estimates that there are at least 300 marijuana businesses inside the city. With only a handful of recreational stores and growers, that means most of those are medical. Plus, medical businesses haven’t had to abide by the same location restrictions as recreational stores (1,000 feet from schools and parks), so there are more of them.

If you have a doctor’s recommendation to use cannabis, you’ll no longer buy it at a medical dispensary. Beginning next July, you’ll go to the recreational stores opened under I-502 instead.

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If you grow your own marijuana for medical use, you’re currently allowed up to 15 plants. The new law will reduce that to four plants, or six plants for people in the registry unless their doctor specifically recommends more in writing. (One possible problem: Some patient advocates say doctors are hesitant to recommend specific amounts because that could be considered prescribing an illegal drug, which could put a doctor's federal license to prescribe controlled substances at risk. So whether any doctors will actually be willing to recommend higher plant counts in the new system remains to be seen.)
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Here.

Not sure why the writer, Heidi Groover, took a little journey into being a jack-booted bully at the end, apparently knowing better than the doctors who are currently prescribing cannabis...

"all the "fakers" buying untaxed medical marijuana without a real need—who will hopefully be forced out of that practice by this new model"

I know scum sucking teabaggers with a better outlook on mmj than this.
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Drastic Changes Are Coming to Washington State's Medical Marijuana Industry (Original Post) jtuck004 Apr 2015 OP
After reading the article, I don't see a problem with this.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #1
"there are a lot of people who don't actually have a medical need." yeah, and it's legal Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #2
It is a problem... MaggieD Apr 2015 #5
I agree with all you've written, still some of the stuff I've read about the WA pot taxes in Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #6
I think the excise tax is 25%.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #7
I wonder how many of the businesses have home delivery. . B Calm Apr 2015 #3
Lots MaggieD Apr 2015 #4
There is a major fucking problen getting the CBD rich strains and oils eridani Apr 2015 #8
The medical sellers deliver MaggieD Apr 2015 #10
You didn't read the OP--medical sellers are about to be eliminated in WA eridani Apr 2015 #11
Yes I did read it MaggieD Apr 2015 #12
if you lived here, you'd actually have a clue about how many medical users there are eridani Apr 2015 #14
I do live here MaggieD Apr 2015 #16
Do you need high CBD strains? Where the bloody hell are medical users supposed to get them? eridani Apr 2015 #17
They can get them MaggieD Apr 2015 #25
No--it merely guts the list of possibilities n/t eridani Apr 2015 #27
Okay, you can believe the sky is falling if you want MaggieD Apr 2015 #30
Every organization of medical MJ patients says otherwise n/t eridani Apr 2015 #31
Not the people I know MaggieD Apr 2015 #32
The way to get medical pot adequately tested is to legally require such testing-- eridani Apr 2015 #33
You are woefully ignorant AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #18
And again the medical sellers are top of the list... MaggieD Apr 2015 #24
"Recreational stores don't give a shit about anything but THC" is nowhere near true. tridim Apr 2015 #13
Do you shop for MJ at WA recreational stores? I do. eridani Apr 2015 #15
Huh, what? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #19
I lived in Denver for 12 years. tridim Apr 2015 #20
Irrelevent AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #21
"nor do you know anything about using marijuana as medicine"... tridim Apr 2015 #22
You know nothing about Wa State AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #23
I do MaggieD Apr 2015 #26
I wasn't replying to you AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #28
Yes I do MaggieD Apr 2015 #29
They're trying the same fredamae Apr 2015 #9
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
1. After reading the article, I don't see a problem with this....
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
Apr 2015

- You can still get the cannabis

- You can still get an exemption from the tax if you have an RX.

- Yes, there are a lot of people who don't actually have a medical need. Hell, there are well known lists of physicians that will give you a card with no questions asked as long as you give them a hundred or more dollars in payment.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. "there are a lot of people who don't actually have a medical need." yeah, and it's legal
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:37 PM
Apr 2015

for recreational use, in WA.

This is a solution in search of a "problem" that isn't, actually, one.

Edited to add: The legislative fix that might make more sense would be to bring WA's taxation scheme on rec. mj more in line with something reasonable, especially now that neighboring states (hello, Oregon) are bringing legalization on line with more reasonable taxation.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
5. It is a problem...
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

Legal weed won't work without basic safeguards and regulation. And if it fails here then that puts other states at risk for not passing it. Trust me, it's not a problem to go buy some weed here. I live in the burbs and there are two stores within 10 min drive in either direction. As long as the bill includes an exemption on taxes for medical use then I am in favor.

ETA - WA state taxes on stuff like this ("sin taxes&quot are always high because we have no income tax. You can argue that idea as a whole is bad, but that is how taxes roll here.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. I agree with all you've written, still some of the stuff I've read about the WA pot taxes in
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:48 PM
Apr 2015

particular go beyond just sin taxes, which I also support.

I was reading a piece which stated the taxes on legal MJ in some areas was something like 20% state plus 20% "producer fee" plus 20-30% local, adding up to like 60% or 70%, which seems a bit onerous.

Once people can get a better deal by crossing the river into PDX, a lot will.

It sounds to me like more of an issue is tightening up the regs on who can get a medical exemption, but that in and of itself might be a large and expensive nut to crack from a regulatory stdpt.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
7. I think the excise tax is 25%....
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

And that happens when a producer sells to a distributor, and the distributor pays it when they sell to the user. So each transaction is taxed at 25%. I think when the distributor and producer are the same there is only one excise tax.

The user pays an additional sales tax. I think that is around 10% but I didn't save the receipt.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. There is a major fucking problen getting the CBD rich strains and oils
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

--that so many medical users depend on. Recreational stores don't give a shit about anything but THC.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
10. The medical sellers deliver
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:05 AM
Apr 2015

I haven't heard anyone complaining about not being able to get what they need.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
11. You didn't read the OP--medical sellers are about to be eliminated in WA
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:56 AM
Apr 2015

They will have to go to the recreational stores instead.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
12. Yes I did read it
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:14 AM
Apr 2015

And no, they aren't going to be "eliminated."

ETA: from the link:

"The Liquor Control Board is supposed to license new stores and some of those could be current medical dispensaries switching to recreational stores, but just how many is up to the board. The bill sets out a list of businesses that should get priority for new licenses. At the top: Medical dispensaries that have been open since before January 2013 and that have applied to the Liquor Control Board for an I-502 license. In other words, people who’ve had an interest in the recreational marijuana game. As it stands today, at least 1,900 retail store applications have been submitted to the Liquor Control Board but not yet granted. We don’t know how many of those were submitted by medical business owners or by the same person applying for multiple licenses, but still—that’s a lot of people who may get a shot at a new license.

The process for getting medical growers up and running will be similar: The Liquor Control Board will have to reconsider the limits it has set on how much pot can be grown in the state and then open up more space to already licensed growers who want to produce new strains meant especially for medical use. Then, if those growers don’t use all the production space allowed, the Liquor Control Board can license new growers."

eridani

(51,907 posts)
14. if you lived here, you'd actually have a clue about how many medical users there are
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:55 PM
Apr 2015

Senator Kohl-Welles, major state legislator defending medical marijuana, is against this. That ought to be enough for anybody.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
17. Do you need high CBD strains? Where the bloody hell are medical users supposed to get them?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:30 AM
Apr 2015

Not at recreational stores--not a single one in South Seattle or South King County cares about anything but THC.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
32. Not the people I know
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 02:27 AM
Apr 2015

... And I know a lot. Do you honestly think the state is going to build up recreational weed and then turn around and kill medical weed? Seriously?

For all we know medical grade pot could be loaded with pesticides, or other crap. The road to real medical marijuana is to regulate the producers to ensure a safe effective product.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
33. The way to get medical pot adequately tested is to legally require such testing--
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:29 AM
Apr 2015

--not to shut down a large chunk of the outlets for medical MJ

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. You are woefully ignorant
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:32 AM
Apr 2015

I work in the industry in Wa State. Some patients need up to three oz per day. At $20 - $30 per gram, they would have to pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars per day, and insurance doesn't cover it.

We have patients using up to three grams of RSO per day. The Retail stores don't sell RSO and they don't sell high CBD strains or oil. The liquor control board are sociopathic.

Just for my inoperable shoulder injury and arthritis, I would have to pay over $100 per day.

We would no longer be able to get RSO to cancer patients.

There will be a lot of martyrs because we will not abandon our patients.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
24. And again the medical sellers are top of the list...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:21 AM
Apr 2015

.... For licenses. So your stance is they shouldn't have to be licensed???? I disagree.

This hair on fire attitude is ridiculous, IMO. Also, if someone needs 3 ounces a day then it's probably not an effective treatment.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
13. "Recreational stores don't give a shit about anything but THC" is nowhere near true.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:44 AM
Apr 2015

Not to mention, THC is also medicinal. Why do you think it's not?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
15. Do you shop for MJ at WA recreational stores? I do.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:57 PM
Apr 2015

They only care about THC. Nothing wrong with that, except that many medical users really need the CBDs.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
19. Huh, what?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

It's highly apparent that you do not live here, nor do you know anything about using marijuana as medicine.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
22. "nor do you know anything about using marijuana as medicine"...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:10 AM
Apr 2015

Makes it perfectly relevant.

Got any other insults for me?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
28. I wasn't replying to you
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:42 AM
Apr 2015

And I have seen your opinion on the matter. You know nothing about the needs of medical marijuana patients.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
9. They're trying the same
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:28 PM
Apr 2015

thing in OR...or damned close to it and at this particular time when congress is moving, albeit Slowly on establishing protections for medcanna patients.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/262/all-actions-with-amendments
(We should call them up, btw...)

I know I need to follow the money, but I'm not sure where to begin.

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