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Bernin4U

(812 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:10 PM Jan 2016

Doing the same thing, expecting different results.

Wasn't there a saying about that? Maybe someone can remind me. While you're at it, perhaps a lot of other people could use the reminder too. Such as Nanci Pelosi.

On the rare occasion I catch regular tv (say, in the waiting room of the oil change place), I'm still astonished how half the advertising seems to be for drugs. Are we really ok with that? Aren't drugs a regulated substance, like alcohol and tobacco? Those were outlawed from tv advertising decades ago. What makes these drugs any different?

And what if pharma wasn't allowed to make a 500x profit on them? The insane money pharma spends on tv and print advertising will start to make a lot less sense.

Yes, we spend a lot more on health care per person than other countries. But I wonder, how much more health care per person are we consuming? Making visits to the doctor as regular a thing as visits to the coffee shop isn't working.

Single payer? Of course it can make sense. But it's all an equation. Like algebra. Whatever you do to one side, has to be done to the other. Teach people that health care starts from their vegetable drawer, not from a bottle. Reduce health care profits, and the demand falls proportionally.

Then we have a system that works. (For the people, that is.)

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Doing the same thing, expecting different results. (Original Post) Bernin4U Jan 2016 OP
Stay the course! HassleCat Jan 2016 #1
We consume far less in medical services than they do in other developed countries eridani Jan 2016 #2
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Stay the course!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

We must not give up now. We must cleanse our party of all remnants of socialist and progressive ideas. For 35 years, we have struggled to make ourselves the minority party at all levels of government, and we are so close. Only a handful of state legislatures and governorships remain in Democratic hands, and we can eliminate most of those if we just keep on doing what we have been doing since 1980. Don't give up, my fellow Democrats. Keep nominating and electing candidates who sell out the public interest for campaign donations. Forward to irrelevance!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. We consume far less in medical services than they do in other developed countries
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:27 AM
Jan 2016

The notion that costs go down when people adopt healthier lifestyles is delusional. The healthy lifestyle folks are the ones that increasing health care expenses due to living longer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html

Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report.

It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars.

"It was a small surprise," said Pieter van Baal, an economist at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. "But it also makes sense. If you live longer, then you cost the health system more."

In a paper published online Monday in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal, Dutch researchers found that the health costs of thin and healthy people in adulthood are more expensive than those of either fat people or smokers.

Van Baal and colleagues create Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report.

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