Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumThe Atlantic: The Democrats Face a Revolution
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-democrats-revolution/436674/And so Sanders has exposed the left-wing ideals in the hearts of a substantial portion of Democrats, just as surely as Trump has illustrated liberals stereotypes about Republican nativism and xenophobia. A Democratic Party that strained for decades to position itself as moderate, and to ostracize its radical voices, has instead seen its long-suppressed liberal energy burst to the fore.
I think hes more radical than the other people weve had, and I like that about him, Taylor Raska, a 28-year-old bartender with a nose ring, mismatched earrings, and lines of cursive writing tattooed on her arms, told me. An ardent environmentalist whos tired of politicians, Raska believes the old system must be smashed for a new order to take its place. Everythings going to change! she said, savoring the beautiful thought. We are in this amazing periodits awesome to be a part of. Everything is changing!
People who feel like theyre struggling against long odds are fed up with the solutions that have been tried. There was a plant in Mason City that made filters, but it went to Mexico some years ago, a 62-year-old named Sue McKee told me. She teaches the GED class that the laid-off men in their 40s, 50s, and 60s come to, desperate to work again and needing a high-school diploma for the first time in their lives. We shouldnt make it so hard for people, she said. On Monday, she planned to register with the Democratic Party and caucus for the first time in her life.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)She's done the party much more harm than good!
She should have been sent packing after her disastrous results in the 2014 election!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Some people seem to think the world started when they or their parents or their grandparents started voting. The Democratic Party has been around since at least Andrew Jackson. (Some say Jefferson, but, I don't know about that.) Bernie is definitely to the left of New Democrats. Whether he would have gone as far left as the Great Society or the New Deal had he been in office in the 1920s, I don't know.
Unfortunately he's almost as radical as Truman on questions of war, participating in the general consensus. He's promising he will be as bad as Obama, though certainly not as bad as bomb-Iran Clinton or onward to the neocon and apocalypse-seeking variants of the Republicans. In any case, that's what he says. I didn't lend credence to all those who claimed Obama was just faking out the right and secretly going to be more progressive, blah blah. It's more possible with Sanders, but not in this context, in this particularly regressive atmosphere of seeing deadly enemies everywhere, all the time, and total valorization of the militarism and nationalist bullshit. Such a consensus has bought into this idea that the threat is constant and has to be proactively attacked (which is the formula for creating the threat in the first place). I guess you can't challenge Wall Street and the imperialist war-profiteering systems in the same election? Probably not. Just some thoughts.
Beautiful OP by the way.
merrily
(45,251 posts)At least as I see my realistic choices.
He voted against the war in Iraq, he voted against the surge in Afghanistan, he has not found the death of Gaddafi or the prospect of nuclear war in Iran a laughing matter and he doesn't like actions to effect regime change in other sovereign nations. Yes, he voted for the war in Afghanistan, and I do not approve or excuse that. However, Hillary voted for every war and surge for which she could vote, etc.
As between Hillary and Bernie, an anti war voter should choose Bernie, IMO.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Hell, I was even content with the difference that saw Obama merely pursuing the seven wars without adding Iran, which is what Clinton would have done. (tried to do!) It means a lot of lives, right, and less chance of nuclear war. I'm just not going to idealize the "Saudis getting their hands dirty" or "our wonderful ally King Abdullah" as antiwar, okay? Certainly no one can justify the neocon war mongering of Clinton, but it's all only relative. How is the machine ever to be stopped?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)This is Fox News, right?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It's the Atlantic, and thus usually the species of right wing commonly called "liberal." But you know that.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The HRC folks use "right wing source-Squirrel!" as a common response to articles that are less than drooling for Hillary.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Sensible centrism is from another era, indeed.
Go, Bernie!