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Dumb question: If Hill's teams move supporters to MOM will that be observable? (Original Post) snagglepuss Feb 2016 OP
in the caucus room it will be obvious. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #1
Very. n/t tazkcmo Feb 2016 #2
I think so. MrChuck Feb 2016 #3
Tradition she freaked out about in '08 dorkzilla Feb 2016 #9
And totally legal under the rules, fwiw TDale313 Feb 2016 #4
Every move in a caucus is in the open. kaiden Feb 2016 #5
Everyone is free to realign. There is roody Feb 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author snagglepuss Feb 2016 #7
I thought people went over the course of a day but I now snagglepuss Feb 2016 #8
I don't know. I've been a Green for years. roody Feb 2016 #12
Doing that might help her with the delagate count relative to Bernie Bernblu Feb 2016 #10
The caucus i went to only the votes at the end count marlakay Feb 2016 #11
No, because they can simply start there. Bernin4U Feb 2016 #13
Very insightful. Thank you. snagglepuss Feb 2016 #14

MrChuck

(279 posts)
3. I think so.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

It's also on the level, officially. As I understand the process, it's kind of what it's about.
HRH is on record as saying the practice is "tradition."

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
9. Tradition she freaked out about in '08
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

When Obama did it.

I can't keep up with her ever-changing stances.

Response to roody (Reply #6)

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
8. I thought people went over the course of a day but I now
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016

I have a better understand of the process. Do people tend to stay put and move only if asked to do so?

Bernblu

(441 posts)
10. Doing that might help her with the delagate count relative to Bernie
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

but doesn't that reduce her raw vote count that the media reports?

marlakay

(11,473 posts)
11. The caucus i went to only the votes at the end count
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

part of the process is talking others into your candidate based on what you believe.

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
13. No, because they can simply start there.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

In the limited caucusing I've done (having not lived in a caucus state for long), the atmosphere was kind of like a big, fun party. Friendly people mixing it up in all directions. Not too easy to "keep track' of anyone.

But even if it were a small and calm group, it would be easy to astroturf. Even if you had no real intention of supporting a group, you can simply start there with them, then always move to another group later.

An HRH astroturfer would start with MOM, then either stay there with them or move to the HRH group, depending on how the numbers are working out. Presumably they won't be wearing all their "move to the right" logo'ed gear, so it would not be obvious.

EDIT:
The whole point of having a caucus is that you have the chance to try to persuade people to move from another group into your group. You start at your own group, but then you're encouraged to go over to the other groups to talk them into joining your group. The goal is to be persuasive, so of course you're going to do it by being friendly, not by bad-mouthing their chosen candidate. To me, it feels like a big party game, hence the somewhat party atmosphere.

But to have people moving around is common. And especially with MOM only being in the single digits, you'll see a lot of it within his group. He needs to be at 15% to qualify, so (afaik) if he's less than that in the given room, he's not considered viable. Those people would instead need to choose one of the remaining viable candidates.

Which is the whole point of this strategy. The HRH supporters "lend" themselves out to MOM, if needed to keep him viable, in order to keep the real MOM supporters from otherwise moving to Bernie and giving him the win.

It's a workable strategy if MOM is only down by a few bodies. But if he's down by say, 5-10%, then that is likely to be a lot more than what the HRH can afford to "loan out".

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