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Z_California

(650 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:46 PM Feb 2016

Let's Not Lose Sight of What a President CAN Do Without Congressional Support

Especially for Iowa Caucus participants, the debate tonight in a lot of precincts will be about what is realistic and manageable within the current reality of a gridlocked government. The Hillary supporters will paint Bernie with the rainbows and unicorns false meme.

Aside from Bernie's belief that healthcare is a basic human right and not a privilege and that a college education should be available to any of our kids regardless of financial status, and that the Billionaire class should pay back some of what has been sucked out of the middle class (you know, things that will "Never, EVER come to pass&quot , let's not forget that the President of the United States is the last line of defense against a corrupt Congress.

Who do you trust to:

Enforce Wall Street regulations
NOT sell us out on Social Security
NOT sell us out on the TPP
NOT get us embroiled a new war in the Middle East

Who do you trust?

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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
1. Given that the rules will be the same for either Sanders or Clinton...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

I've never felt very clear on why Clinton is supposed to be able to get more done than Sanders.

If it's "compromise more with Republicans," I'm not interested. They haven't held any position I've felt was worth meeting in the middle with, for a lot of years.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
2. Yes.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

One of those existing laws is the power to break up the too big to fail banks.

Obama has chosen to ignore and/or reject that power.

Somehow though, I am suppose to applaud him for making a big speech about enforcing existing laws on gun control.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
3. Michael Bloomberg wouldn't care enough to run for President if the Executive Office
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016

did not have a lot of power in and of itself.

The billionaire supposedly will run if Bernie wins the nomination, but not if Hillary wins the nomination.

Says it all really.

And, I'm not even sure if he would really run. I think he could be trying to scare people on the fence to support HRC.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
4. What will happen if Bernie wins big? the present Senators and Representatives will change their
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

viewpoint. There are a lot of Republicans congress critters who used to be moderate to liberal until Fox news convinced everyone that the nation is now conservative. When the major networks followed suit they believed it even more. Their fear is if Bernie wins, they will have to change because they will know now that the nation is not really conservative.

Z_California

(650 posts)
5. I believe there's a chance to have majorities in both houses this election
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

IF AND ONLY IF Bernie is nominated.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
6. I think when I started hearing on the news that people were anti-establishment it did now ring
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

a bell until a couple of my friends who are tea party types told me that they favored Sanders or Trump. The only way I could keep my brain from melting down was that sign "Keep the government hands out of my Medicare". They don't mind social services, but they want to benefit them not the banks. Bernie seems have tapped into that in such a way that they finally comprehend. My tea party friends do not mind the socialized fire, police, highways, schools, hospitals etc because they benefit everyone. They have been sold that welfare and food stamps are bad because most do not know anyone one it and southern people don't like admitting that they are having to ask someone for help.

Z_California

(650 posts)
7. Funny you mention that
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

I ran to the store an hour ago and there was a guy with petitions for ballot initiatives. The initiatives were for 1) legalization of marijuana 2) abolition of death penalty 3) public notice prior to legislative votes 4) Disclosure of top 10 donors for all political candidates.

Based on the petitions I figured it was safe to say he was a Bernie supporter. Nope. Trump ("you probably don't like him but I support him for reasons I won't say" is what he told me). But Bernie would be his 2nd choice. I didn't know what to say. I'm still stunned at the ignorance an hour later.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
8. It is strange with anti establishment taking place in both parties at the same time.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

It is something that probably a lifelong Republican would consider Bernie. Bernie said way early about there being very little differences between the far left and far right. Both sides are on the outside of the parties and indeed there may not be that many real differences.

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