Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumCoin toss broke 6 Clinton-Sanders deadlocks in Iowa — and Hillary won each time
While it was hard to call a winner between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders last night, its easy to say who was luckier.
The race between the Democrat presidential hopefuls was so tight in the Iowa caucus Monday that in at least six precincts, the decision on awarding a county delegate came down to a coin toss. And Clinton won all six, media reports said.
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While it may seem a chancy way to break a deadlock, official state rules lay out the procedure. Iowas Democratic caucus guide says: Note: In a case where two or more preference groups are tied for the loss of a delegate, a coin shall be tossed to determine who loses the delegate, the Independent newspaper pointed out.
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As for that statewide Democratic race, it was too close to call for most of the night. Clinton declared victory early Tuesday morning, with all but one of the Iowa precincts reporting, with 49.9% of the delegates to the state convention. Sanders was a squeak behind, with 49.6% perhaps the real winner, with that unexpected showing.[/b[ For a blow-by-blow recap, check out our live blog
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coin-toss-broke-6-clinton-sanders-deadlocks-in-iowa-and-hillary-won-each-time-2016-02-02?link=MW_home_latest_news
phantom power
(25,966 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...but those odds aren't so long that it seems fishy, at least to me.
I've lived in Vegas too long.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)In fact, one way to detect when somebody is trying to fake random data is that they will almost always have substantially fewer runs of consecutive equal values than actually appear in a truly random sequence.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...thanks for that information about real random data vs. pseudo random data.
Sometimes things that seem like just common sense, do not actually represent how things are.
OTOH, we all do need to retain a lot of common sense just to get through the day. But the fact that math, and science, can fly in the face of common sense is one of the reasons why we need a more math- and science-literate population, so that people have a better understanding of these things.
Not claiming that anyone asking about the coin tosses does not have an understanding BTW, just making general comments.
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)"In a case where two or more preference groups are tied for the loss of a delegate, a coin shall be tossed to determine who loses the delegate" [bold added]
Does this mean that Bernie WON the coin toss? I keep hearing that CTC (Coin-Toss Clinton) WON the toss?????
retrowire
(10,345 posts)StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)I hope someone from the campaign is designated to check into all irregularities.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)snot
(10,538 posts)So if the coin tosses had gone the other way, Bernie would have been up 24 delgates to Hillary's 19?
Or what is the relationship between the "Vote" percentage totals and the delegate counts? (I think I understand the Dem. caucus process, just not how the results are counted toward votes and delegates.)
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Bernie outright won 21 delegates. HRC won 23 delegates but 6 were from coin flips. So Hillary outright only won 17 delegates.
It seems to me that a coin flip could be used for a single tied precinct, but since there were 6 they should give 3 delegates to each. That would have resulted in Bernie 24 to Hillary's 20.
BERNIE WON!!!
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)From the DNC it could cost Hillary the GE. The one thing Hillary needs to make SURE of is that no choosing happens behind closed doors. In other words, the independent Superdelegates at the DNC should NOT choose someone unless there's been a clear winner when coming to that point.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)...but it just feels like there was some funny business going on there.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)imo.
Couldn't they come up with something a little more democratic and a little less like a Las Vegas casino?
Not that I have any suggestions at the moment...
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)But it would be better if the DNC forced all caucus states to switch to primaries.
As a Minnesotan, I'm in a caucus state, and I'd prefer a primary.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Hmmmm....
Funny...I didn't think his showing to be unexpected at all.
Goes to show how the lame ass MSM STILL didn't understand the immensity of this movement.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)So I wonder if anyone continues to look into this? Was it just a verbiage error by the lame media?
Seems like it's something to check out by Bernie's campaign...but I suppose Iowa is now old news (as in no one other than use cares) and it's on to NH.
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Wilson4BERNIE
Wilson4BERNIE? @sandlotjoe
@maddow @chrislhayes What about this #rule28 ?
appears to be handled wrong. Coin toss decides who LOSES the delegate https://twitter.com/LifeforceVibes/status/694462008473706496