Bernie Sanders
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There's a big hullabaloo for her to reveal the content of what she said to all those banks earning herself 1.8M in one year.
But the thing isthe smoking gun is not going to be in the actual words she spoke. The speeches themselves may exonerate herat least according to the MSM. Because they'll be boring and bland.
The smoking gun is in the invisible codes of this arrangement. She speaks, says nice funny things that anybody could see and she gets paid the normal fee for it. (If it was normal. I'd sure like to know how many other people they pay so much to.)
And now that she's accepted that money and entered into this coded covenant, the question is who did she meet with afterwards over an expensive dinner? What private conference rooms was she then invited into, whose set of names was she then asked to meet with? During these chummy off-the-record meetings, what promises, and offers did she make, what understandings were exchanged?
I know this is how it's done in Washington all the time. Hundreds of thousands given in this way for political access and influence. But what matters this time, is that it could allow her to wiggle throughwhen it becomes evident that she didn't say anything in public that was that awful.
She'll look pure compared to the speech people are imagining. So not that bad.
The only way around this is to have the full investigation. How many subsequent meetings did she have with Blankenfein or his reps? And what deals and contracts both through the Foundation or through the Dept. of State were granted that said bankers also were involved with. Not sure how to say this in a cogent waybut it's the fore-and-after-math of these speeches where the fire may be, IMO. So I wonder if we're being led a bit down the primrose path.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)they would have already been released as they're looking for a bump in NH. It's possible they could wait until Monday, but unlikely as they would want the released speeches to be the focus of all the Sunday news programs.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)She'd have "graciously" supplied them.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)but the issue is receiving a large amount of money and what type of access or influence
that might buy. There's a reason campaign finance laws limit large contributions directly
to a candidate. And that reasoning still applies if the person will be a future candidate.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Just not sure if the average non-political voter knows it's what was understood, rather than what was said publicly.
But you're talking me down from the edge.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)It has to follow the rules. The speeches usually talk about how nice it is to be here, what a national treasure the group represented by the audience is, a funny thing happened in the cab on the way here, shout out to some friends in the audience, I know we all stand for a better America, thanks very much, enjoy the prime rib, I hope you have my check ready. Once in a while, a candidate will get careless, like Mitt Romney did with his 47 percent remark, but the audience does not expect specific promises right there on the spot.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)But the vast middle and for she sure all her supporters can then say "See? Nothing there."
Well, of course there isn't. It's all in the code and the money.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Clinton is smart and she knows the rules. I don't think she would do a Romney flub.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)in the future. Mere 'access' can be worth a great deal.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)That's what it's all about.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....but by her reaction at the debate, I would guess that she would rather they never see the light of day.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)the questions merely becomes "Why did these corporations pay you and your husband 153 million dollars for nothing?".
draa
(975 posts)Even if she releases the transcripts, and even if they're bland, she still got rich for something. They don't just give people $200K for boilerplate speeches no matter what the transcripts say.
It's all about the money at this point. Even if she releases the transcripts, and donates everything, I'm not sure how she can weasel out of the fact that she took money from the people who did so much damage in 2008. That will be with her for a while.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)is a good point.
antigop
(12,778 posts)If she doesn't release them, it looks like she's hiding something.
If she does release them, then
1) The transcripts have damaging information -- in which case she's screwed.
or
2) The transcripts reveal that nothing of importance was said -- in which case the question will be asked, "Why the hell did GS pay so much for that?"
She's boxed in.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Perfectly described!
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)At least one of them would probably hurt her pretty badly.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)with those donations from Wall Street & Foreign Governments that is her biggest problem down the road. The Clinton Foundation is filled with Conflict of Interest overlapping with her time as SOS. Bill is another liability for his ties to Foreign Influence and his chumminess with some questionable characters since he left the Presidency.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)The only other way it's at all likely to grab much media attention is if the House and/or Senate amp up their investigations during primary season, and even that wouldn't necessarily prevent her from getting the nomination.
What I most fear is:The Dems nominate her and, immediately after the connvention, the FBI and Senate committee investigating her start to leak like crazy, throwing the election into a feeding frenzy.
Sure her most avid supporters and the Dem establishment will rally round her, but voters who were supporting her because of her perceived electability, or to stand with the party, will fall away in droves, and Trump or Cruz will win by a landslide, followed by criminal charges for Hillary, Bill, the Clinton foundation, President Obama if possible and every one of their close aides. And Voila! The Democratic Party would at minimum be tarred for the next two or three cycles, and potentially collapses.
I'd call it a nightmare but I haven't been sleeping.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And I am very tired of "Incrementalism" by our Dems always promising and yet we fall farther behind in our State Elections giving everything away to the Repubs who took over since our Dem Party didn't support Us AFTER Obama was Elected and he hasn't been involved in "Building Our Dem Party." The Excuse Is: "He was so busy defending himself against the Repubs and dealing with ACA that he just couldn't get into "Party Building."
Same thing will happen if Hillary is elected. It will be Excuse after Excuse after Excuse as to WHY ...She Couldn't Deliver!
Sure her most avid supporters and the Dem establishment will rally round her, but voters who were supporting her because of her perceived electability, or to stand with the party, will fall away in droves, and Trump or Cruz will win by a landslide, followed by criminal charges for Hillary, Bill, the Clinton foundation, President Obama if possible and every one of their close aides. And Voila! The Democratic Party would at minimum be tarred for the next two or three cycles, and potentially collapses.
I'd call it a nightmare but I haven't been sleeping.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)The Republicans are probably digging into this as much as they can. If they can't get the emails and Benghazi to stick to her, this could be their backup plan if there is any kind of corrupt dealings between the State Department and corporations/countries/Clinton Foundation.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)The real story IMHO is the campaign contributions for Bill and Hillary over the decades. Just look at who they appointed in their administration and campaign advisers (some of these same weasels were in the Obama administration too). Proof is in the pudding with the policies they pushed for the world.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)despite our hopes. Not to be a downer, though. This might truly be "The Revolution!"
And, I do feel if Bernie can get traction and Make It...there will be many in the MIC who might be the "Good Folks" who will join up with him.
Until NOW they have not had a voice being tied into the Bush/Cheney/Obama and Neo-Con to "Go Along...to Get Along Crowd" hoping for SOMEONE to FREE THEM?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..are a red herring. They fit the pattern but they also take our eye off the bigger problem of her previous votes and cynical corporate loyalties.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)The nuclear bomb could actually be donations and shady behavior between the State Department, Clinton Foundation, and other countries/companies/charities while Hillary was Secretary of State.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)her wildly careless.