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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:14 PM Feb 2016

Wonder if the Transcripts are a Trap?

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a big hullabaloo for her to reveal the content of what she said to all those banks earning herself 1.8M in one year.

But the thing is—the smoking gun is not going to be in the actual words she spoke. The speeches themselves may exonerate her—at least according to the MSM. Because they'll be boring and bland.

The smoking gun is in the invisible codes of this arrangement. She speaks, says nice funny things that anybody could see and she gets paid the normal fee for it. (If it was normal. I'd sure like to know how many other people they pay so much to.)

And now that she's accepted that money and entered into this coded covenant, the question is who did she meet with afterwards over an expensive dinner? What private conference rooms was she then invited into, whose set of names was she then asked to meet with? During these chummy off-the-record meetings, what promises, and offers did she make, what understandings were exchanged?

I know this is how it's done in Washington all the time. Hundreds of thousands given in this way for political access and influence. But what matters this time, is that it could allow her to wiggle through——when it becomes evident that she didn't say anything in public that was that awful.

She'll look pure compared to the speech people are imagining. So not that bad.

The only way around this is to have the full investigation. How many subsequent meetings did she have with Blankenfein or his reps? And what deals and contracts both through the Foundation or through the Dept. of State were granted that said bankers also were involved with. Not sure how to say this in a cogent way—but it's the fore-and-after-math of these speeches where the fire may be, IMO. So I wonder if we're being led a bit down the primrose path.

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Wonder if the Transcripts are a Trap? (Original Post) zentrum Feb 2016 OP
If they could help her Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #1
That's a good point. zentrum Feb 2016 #10
She might have said something embarrassing to make public in the speeches... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #2
Agree completely zentrum Feb 2016 #5
For bribery to be legal HassleCat Feb 2016 #3
That's what I'm sayin' zentrum Feb 2016 #7
Chances are you're right HassleCat Feb 2016 #9
If someone hands you a $200,000+ check, you probably will at least take their phone calls PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #11
For sure. zentrum Feb 2016 #13
Hillary's contract specifies advance payment. Half on signing, the.other half a month later. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #19
I have no idea what is in the transcript Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #4
Hope you're right. zentrum Feb 2016 #8
If they are innocuous it bis still damning catnhatnh Feb 2016 #6
As long as she keeps the millions she received this isn't going away. draa Feb 2016 #12
250K for boilerplate zentrum Feb 2016 #14
It's a no win situation, regardless of what she does. She's boxed in. antigop Feb 2016 #15
Bingo! Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #17
See this Mufaddal Feb 2016 #16
Good Points! I still believe its the "Clinton Foundation" connections KoKo Feb 2016 #18
I agree with you, Koko, but I'm certain the Obama WH will bury the FBI investigation. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #20
I, too...What You Say! KoKo Feb 2016 #21
Good point here... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #23
Agree. That's coming. zentrum Feb 2016 #27
Too much attention on the speeches... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #22
..! Sadly as we look back much of this seems to be the way it has worked out... KoKo Feb 2016 #24
Agree. The Speeches zentrum Feb 2016 #25
As KoKo mentioned... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #26
Her ambitions and greed make zentrum Feb 2016 #28

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
1. If they could help her
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

they would have already been released as they're looking for a bump in NH. It's possible they could wait until Monday, but unlikely as they would want the released speeches to be the focus of all the Sunday news programs.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. She might have said something embarrassing to make public in the speeches...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

but the issue is receiving a large amount of money and what type of access or influence
that might buy. There's a reason campaign finance laws limit large contributions directly
to a candidate. And that reasoning still applies if the person will be a future candidate.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
5. Agree completely
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

Just not sure if the average non-political voter knows it's what was understood, rather than what was said publicly.

But you're talking me down from the edge.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. For bribery to be legal
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

It has to follow the rules. The speeches usually talk about how nice it is to be here, what a national treasure the group represented by the audience is, a funny thing happened in the cab on the way here, shout out to some friends in the audience, I know we all stand for a better America, thanks very much, enjoy the prime rib, I hope you have my check ready. Once in a while, a candidate will get careless, like Mitt Romney did with his 47 percent remark, but the audience does not expect specific promises right there on the spot.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
7. That's what I'm sayin'
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

But the vast middle and for she sure all her supporters can then say —"See? Nothing there."

Well, of course there isn't. It's all in the code and the money.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
9. Chances are you're right
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is smart and she knows the rules. I don't think she would do a Romney flub.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. If someone hands you a $200,000+ check, you probably will at least take their phone calls
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

in the future. Mere 'access' can be worth a great deal.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
4. I have no idea what is in the transcript
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

....but by her reaction at the debate, I would guess that she would rather they never see the light of day.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
6. If they are innocuous it bis still damning
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

the questions merely becomes "Why did these corporations pay you and your husband 153 million dollars for nothing?".

draa

(975 posts)
12. As long as she keeps the millions she received this isn't going away.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

Even if she releases the transcripts, and even if they're bland, she still got rich for something. They don't just give people $200K for boilerplate speeches no matter what the transcripts say.

It's all about the money at this point. Even if she releases the transcripts, and donates everything, I'm not sure how she can weasel out of the fact that she took money from the people who did so much damage in 2008. That will be with her for a while.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
15. It's a no win situation, regardless of what she does. She's boxed in.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

If she doesn't release them, it looks like she's hiding something.

If she does release them, then

1) The transcripts have damaging information -- in which case she's screwed.

or

2) The transcripts reveal that nothing of importance was said -- in which case the question will be asked, "Why the hell did GS pay so much for that?"

She's boxed in.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
18. Good Points! I still believe its the "Clinton Foundation" connections
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

with those donations from Wall Street & Foreign Governments that is her biggest problem down the road. The Clinton Foundation is filled with Conflict of Interest overlapping with her time as SOS. Bill is another liability for his ties to Foreign Influence and his chumminess with some questionable characters since he left the Presidency.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
20. I agree with you, Koko, but I'm certain the Obama WH will bury the FBI investigation.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016

The only other way it's at all likely to grab much media attention is if the House and/or Senate amp up their investigations during primary season, and even that wouldn't necessarily prevent her from getting the nomination.

What I most fear is:The Dems nominate her and, immediately after the connvention, the FBI and Senate committee investigating her start to leak like crazy, throwing the election into a feeding frenzy.

Sure her most avid supporters and the Dem establishment will rally round her, but voters who were supporting her because of her perceived electability, or to stand with the party, will fall away in droves, and Trump or Cruz will win by a landslide, followed by criminal charges for Hillary, Bill, the Clinton foundation, President Obama if possible and every one of their close aides. And Voila! The Democratic Party would at minimum be tarred for the next two or three cycles, and potentially collapses.

I'd call it a nightmare but I haven't been sleeping.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
21. I, too...What You Say!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

And I am very tired of "Incrementalism" by our Dems always promising and yet we fall farther behind in our State Elections giving everything away to the Repubs who took over since our Dem Party didn't support Us AFTER Obama was Elected and he hasn't been involved in "Building Our Dem Party." The Excuse Is: "He was so busy defending himself against the Repubs and dealing with ACA that he just couldn't get into "Party Building."

Same thing will happen if Hillary is elected. It will be Excuse after Excuse after Excuse as to WHY ...She Couldn't Deliver!

What I most fear is:The Dems nominate her and, immediately after the connvention, the FBI and Senate committee investigating her start to leak like crazy, throwing the election into a feeding frenzy.

Sure her most avid supporters and the Dem establishment will rally round her, but voters who were supporting her because of her perceived electability, or to stand with the party, will fall away in droves, and Trump or Cruz will win by a landslide, followed by criminal charges for Hillary, Bill, the Clinton foundation, President Obama if possible and every one of their close aides. And Voila! The Democratic Party would at minimum be tarred for the next two or three cycles, and potentially collapses.



I'd call it a nightmare but I haven't been sleeping.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
23. Good point here...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

The Republicans are probably digging into this as much as they can. If they can't get the emails and Benghazi to stick to her, this could be their backup plan if there is any kind of corrupt dealings between the State Department and corporations/countries/Clinton Foundation.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
22. Too much attention on the speeches...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:14 PM
Feb 2016

The real story IMHO is the campaign contributions for Bill and Hillary over the decades. Just look at who they appointed in their administration and campaign advisers (some of these same weasels were in the Obama administration too). Proof is in the pudding with the policies they pushed for the world.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. ..! Sadly as we look back much of this seems to be the way it has worked out...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

despite our hopes. Not to be a downer, though. This might truly be "The Revolution!"

And, I do feel if Bernie can get traction and Make It...there will be many in the MIC who might be the "Good Folks" who will join up with him.

Until NOW they have not had a voice being tied into the Bush/Cheney/Obama and Neo-Con to "Go Along...to Get Along Crowd" hoping for SOMEONE to FREE THEM?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
25. Agree. The Speeches
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

…..are a red herring. They fit the pattern but they also take our eye off the bigger problem of her previous votes and cynical corporate loyalties.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
26. As KoKo mentioned...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016

The nuclear bomb could actually be donations and shady behavior between the State Department, Clinton Foundation, and other countries/companies/charities while Hillary was Secretary of State.

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