Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumSalon: "It's almost over for Hillary: This election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system"
Bill Curry
It would be hard to overstate what Bernie Sanders has already achieved in his campaign for president, or the obstacles hes had to surmount in order to achieve it. Not only has he turned a planned Hillary Clinton coronation into an exercise in grass-roots democracy, hes reset the terms of the debate. We are edging closer to the national conversation we so desperately need to have. If we get there, all credit goes to Bernie.
Many of those obstacles were put in place by Democratic national party chair and Clinton apparatchik Deborah Wasserman Schultz. Without pretense of due process, Schultz slashed the number of 2016 debates to six, down from 26 in 2008, and scheduled as many as she could on weekends when she figured no one would be watching. To deprive would-be challengers of free exposure, Schultz robbed voters of free and open debate and ceded the spotlight to the dark vaudeville of the Republicans. That Sanders got this far in spite of her is a miracle in itself.
That they dont is a gift to Clinton. Sanders wants to talk about the fallen state of our politics, the fallen state of our middle class, and how the first fall caused the second. Clinton cant have that discussion. Exposing her differences with Sanders on such topics would sink her. So she says she and he are alike in every way except shes practical and electablea progressive who likes to get things doneand hes a hopeless dreamer. Its the kind of argument political reporters were born to buy, and despite being full of holes, it works even among some non-journalists.
If you strip away all the nonsense about polls, money, firewalls and ground games, Clintons left with two arguments, neither one pretty. One is that Sanders is too far left. Pundits dismiss his polls by repeating her wait till the Republicans get ahold of him line. And theyll say what? That hes old? Jewish? A socialist? Everybody already knows and anyone whod even think of voting Democratic is already down with it or soon could be. The socialist tag needs explaining, but so do corrupt and fascist. Both parties frontrunners carry baggage. For my money, Bernies is the lightest. As for the notion that voters cant see that paying $1,000 in taxes beats paying $5,000 in health insurance premiums, it is an insult to the American people.
The core of Clintons realpolitik brief pertains not to electability but to governance. Her point is that Sanders is naïve. She says none of his proposals can get though a Republican Congress. She strongly implies that hed roll back Obamacare, a charge that is false, cynical and so nonsensical shell have to stop making it soon. She says she has a plan to get to universal health careshe doesntand that shell do it by working in partnership with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
Whos being naïve here? A Republican Congress wont pass any of her ideas either. The only way to get real change is to elect Democrats to Congress and have a grass-roots movement strong enough to keep the heat on them.
Its not a debate Hillary wants. Shes a superb debater, whip smart, well prepared and a world-class verbal gymnast. Im guessing Sanders goes a little lighter on debate prep, making him less concrete and specific. I wish he engaged more directly. But his quiet dignity serves him, and us, well. Hes the anti-Trump, doing nearly as much to elevate public discourse as Trump does to debase it.
The full article is long, but it's a worthy read. Amazes me that it ran on Salon. http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/its_almost_over_for_hillary_this_election_is_a_mass_insurrection_against_a_rigged_system/
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)One of the big claims still being made is that what Bernie wants will cost 'twice' what he thinks it will. Well, even if that's actually the case, Americans will pay 2000, rather than 1000 in taxes, instead of 5000 in health insurance. It's STILL a huge savings.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The Republicans have called EVERY Democratic challenger for President a "Socialist" since before FDR.
They called Obama a "Socialist",
and if Hillary gets the nomination (gawd forbid) they will brand her a "Socialist" too.
So this "unelectable" argument holds no water.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)political terms so we could all have a more clear and concise dialogue. There's so much fricken baggage in our communications.
*sigh*
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...and they continue to use socialist as a pejorative even as the movement away from it is destroying the middle class.
As if not making the obvious bullshit call weren't bad enough, we have someone who is giving it credibility.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)screaming "Socialist" has lost much of its knee jerk fear reaction in the 21st Century.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)handsomely to continue the current corrupt culture that is devastating the middle and working classes.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Mufaddal.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)I think it's an unusually insightful and incisive article actually. Calls out some big myths. It's nice to hear someone in the media actually dissent from the narrative and point out that the emperor (well, empress) wears no clothes, especially in such a sharp way.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)That notion always makes me laugh.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is an excellent article.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)blue neen
(12,322 posts)houston16revival
(953 posts)if people would ever awaken and fully realize the economic relationships
they face as citizens, workers, consumers
Bernie Sanders is drawing together disparate trends that have adversely
affected citizens lives
I cancelled cable tv, so my news is from the non-MSM internet. Others it
probably took a little longer
The system is rigged? They took our jobs, our money, our retirement, our
future, our minds and gave us expensive info/entertainment, 401K's, stock
market crashes, consumerism and pollution, GMO's, gun violence that no one can agree
on, low wages, health insurers, gambling, eminent domain. The legal and economic system
just keeps taking - the price of cars and car repairs, food, medicine, movies, housing, legal fees.
They require our labor, urine, devotion, and profit on every nickel we spend.
The really good things these days? cheap gas, smart phones.
So yes, the "establishment" candidates as they are called this year, are not popular, supporting
this system, hence Trump and Bernie Sanders are on a roll. Trump though, doesn't want us to
really see what's happening. Using government as a straw man for discontent will not last
forever.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Denying she's a member of the establishment only confirms people's concerns about it, and her.
An immediate about face might do Secretary Clinton some good, but I don't imagine that happening. Then again, if NH results don't meet her expectations, she might be changing her staff her around (and thus also changing her tack). Though what a signal that would send.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Sanders has put the light on where the problems lie and what we need to do to right the situation while Hillary lies about what the problems really are and what she would do.
After Iowa, it's not much of a contest now.
Just a waiting game, waiting for her to drop out and endorse Bernie.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The thought of Hillary "dropping out and endorsing Bernie" just somehow does not
comport with her obsessive insistence on laying claim to being America's "first woman
president", come hell or high water.
I guess we shall see what Super Tuesday brings. I'm certainly not taking anything
for granted just yet.
winter is coming
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Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Thank you for the link!
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)This guy and Robert Reich immediately come to mind, but I know there are others.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)K & R
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But I'm not the only one ..
I hope some day you'll join us ....
GO BERNIE!