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Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:44 PM Feb 2016

Salon: "It's almost over for Hillary: This election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system"

Sanders has ended the coronation and fired up the grass roots. Now Clinton's electability argument is crumbling too
Bill Curry

It would be hard to overstate what Bernie Sanders has already achieved in his campaign for president, or the obstacles he’s had to surmount in order to achieve it. Not only has he turned a planned Hillary Clinton coronation into an exercise in grass-roots democracy, he’s reset the terms of the debate. We are edging closer to the national conversation we so desperately need to have. If we get there, all credit goes to Bernie.

Many of those obstacles were put in place by Democratic national party chair and Clinton apparatchik Deborah Wasserman Schultz. Without pretense of due process, Schultz slashed the number of 2016 debates to six, down from 26 in 2008, and scheduled as many as she could on weekends when she figured no one would be watching. To deprive would-be challengers of free exposure, Schultz robbed voters of free and open debate and ceded the spotlight to the dark vaudeville of the Republicans. That Sanders got this far in spite of her is a miracle in itself.

Must all talk be of the horse race? It’s a democracy, not an off-track betting parlor. We must all think less like political consultants and more like citizens, and journalists should lead the way.

That they don’t is a gift to Clinton. Sanders wants to talk about the fallen state of our politics, the fallen state of our middle class, and how the first fall caused the second. Clinton can’t have that discussion. Exposing her differences with Sanders on such topics would sink her. So she says she and he are alike in every way except she’s practical and electable—”a progressive who likes to get things done”–and he’s a hopeless dreamer. It’s the kind of argument political reporters were born to buy, and despite being full of holes, it works even among some non-journalists.

There is no Clinton firewall. At most, ten states are out of Sanders’ reach and public opinion is never static. Nor does she have a better “ground game.” Real grass-roots organizations like The Working Families Party, MoveOn.org and Democracy for America let members guide endorsements. (Sanders’ support in each of those groups was at or above 85%) Such groups are building the movement Sanders speaks of in every speech. Building a movement is like wiring a house for electricity. You can buy the most expensive lamps in the store but with no electricity, when you hit the switch the lights don’t go on. It takes real conviction to fuel grass-roots politics. In Iowa, Sanders ran five points ahead of late polls. It won’t be the last time it happens.

If you strip away all the nonsense about polls, money, firewalls and ground games, Clinton’s left with two arguments, neither one pretty. One is that Sanders is too far left. Pundits dismiss his polls by repeating her “wait till the Republicans get ahold of him” line. And they’ll say what? That he’s old? Jewish? A socialist? Everybody already knows and anyone who’d even think of voting Democratic is already down with it or soon could be. The “socialist” tag needs explaining, but so do “corrupt” and “fascist.” Both parties’ frontrunners carry baggage. For my money, Bernie’s is the lightest. As for the notion that voters can’t see that paying $1,000 in taxes beats paying $5,000 in health insurance premiums, it is an insult to the American people.

The core of Clinton’s realpolitik brief pertains not to electability but to governance. Her point is that Sanders is naïve. She says none of his proposals can get though a Republican Congress. She strongly implies that he’d roll back Obamacare, a charge that is false, cynical and so nonsensical she’ll have to stop making it soon. She says she has a plan to get to universal health care—she doesn’t—and that she’ll do it by working “in partnership” with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Who’s being naïve here? A Republican Congress won’t pass any of her ideas either. The only way to get real change is to elect Democrats to Congress and have a grass-roots movement strong enough to keep the heat on them.

Clinton seeks to cast Sanders as the “other” by calling into question his loyalty to the establishment. It gets her nothing. Democrats will always be loyal to Bill and Barack, but know in their hearts it’s time to move on. The debate now is over what comes next.

It’s not a debate Hillary wants. She’s a superb debater, whip smart, well prepared and a world-class verbal gymnast. I’m guessing Sanders goes a little lighter on debate prep, making him less concrete and specific. I wish he engaged more directly. But his quiet dignity serves him, and us, well. He’s the anti-Trump, doing nearly as much to elevate public discourse as Trump does to debase it.

The full article is long, but it's a worthy read. Amazes me that it ran on Salon. http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/its_almost_over_for_hillary_this_election_is_a_mass_insurrection_against_a_rigged_system/
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Salon: "It's almost over for Hillary: This election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system" (Original Post) Mufaddal Feb 2016 OP
Thank You For Sharing This Wonderful News cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1
One line in particular. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
OMG... The Republicans will call Bernie a (gasp) Socialist!!!!! bvar22 Feb 2016 #3
I wish there were some "Standard National Definition" for Phlem Feb 2016 #4
They continued calling them that even after Bernie's version of socialism created the middle class Major Nikon Feb 2016 #5
...but like the little boy who cried Wolf too often, bvar22 Feb 2016 #13
Goldman-Sachs see the middle class a source of wealth to be exploited. They have paid Clinton rhett o rick Feb 2016 #21
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #6
You're welcome as always Mufaddal Feb 2016 #10
"Her point is that Sanders is naïve." malokvale77 Feb 2016 #7
Preach it! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #8
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #9
BIG k and r!! We all know that one day that damn dam would have to burst! bbgrunt Feb 2016 #11
Self-delete. blue neen Feb 2016 #12
I often wondered houston16revival Feb 2016 #14
Denying she's a member of the establishment ... Babel_17 Feb 2016 #15
It's just a matter of time now. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #16
Actually I expect it to be a fight, tooth & nail, to the finish line 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #17
Interesting article, but your excerpts are way too long. winter is coming Feb 2016 #18
I was not familiar with it Mufaddal Feb 2016 #19
k and r nashville_brook Feb 2016 #20
It's interesting how many people from the Clinton White House are Bernie supporters now EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #23
Bring on the revolution! John Poet Feb 2016 #24
Kicking nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #25
"Almost over for Hillary?"... it's been over for a while. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #26
You may say I'm a dreamer ... Trajan Feb 2016 #27

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. One line in particular.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016
As for the notion that voters can’t see that paying $1,000 in taxes beats paying $5,000 in health insurance premiums, it is an insult to the American people.


One of the big claims still being made is that what Bernie wants will cost 'twice' what he thinks it will. Well, even if that's actually the case, Americans will pay 2000, rather than 1000 in taxes, instead of 5000 in health insurance. It's STILL a huge savings.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
3. OMG... The Republicans will call Bernie a (gasp) Socialist!!!!!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

The Republicans have called EVERY Democratic challenger for President a "Socialist" since before FDR.
They called Obama a "Socialist",
and if Hillary gets the nomination (gawd forbid) they will brand her a "Socialist" too.

So this "unelectable" argument holds no water.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
4. I wish there were some "Standard National Definition" for
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Feb 2016

political terms so we could all have a more clear and concise dialogue. There's so much fricken baggage in our communications.

*sigh*

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
5. They continued calling them that even after Bernie's version of socialism created the middle class
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:36 PM
Feb 2016

...and they continue to use socialist as a pejorative even as the movement away from it is destroying the middle class.

As if not making the obvious bullshit call weren't bad enough, we have someone who is giving it credibility.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. ...but like the little boy who cried Wolf too often,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

screaming "Socialist" has lost much of its knee jerk fear reaction in the 21st Century.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. Goldman-Sachs see the middle class a source of wealth to be exploited. They have paid Clinton
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

handsomely to continue the current corrupt culture that is devastating the middle and working classes.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
10. You're welcome as always
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

I think it's an unusually insightful and incisive article actually. Calls out some big myths. It's nice to hear someone in the media actually dissent from the narrative and point out that the emperor (well, empress) wears no clothes, especially in such a sharp way.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
14. I often wondered
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

if people would ever awaken and fully realize the economic relationships
they face as citizens, workers, consumers

Bernie Sanders is drawing together disparate trends that have adversely
affected citizens lives

I cancelled cable tv, so my news is from the non-MSM internet. Others it
probably took a little longer

The system is rigged? They took our jobs, our money, our retirement, our
future, our minds and gave us expensive info/entertainment, 401K's, stock
market crashes, consumerism and pollution, GMO's, gun violence that no one can agree
on, low wages, health insurers, gambling, eminent domain. The legal and economic system
just keeps taking - the price of cars and car repairs, food, medicine, movies, housing, legal fees.
They require our labor, urine, devotion, and profit on every nickel we spend.

The really good things these days? cheap gas, smart phones.

So yes, the "establishment" candidates as they are called this year, are not popular, supporting
this system, hence Trump and Bernie Sanders are on a roll. Trump though, doesn't want us to
really see what's happening. Using government as a straw man for discontent will not last
forever.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
15. Denying she's a member of the establishment ...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

Denying she's a member of the establishment only confirms people's concerns about it, and her.

An immediate about face might do Secretary Clinton some good, but I don't imagine that happening. Then again, if NH results don't meet her expectations, she might be changing her staff her around (and thus also changing her tack). Though what a signal that would send.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
16. It's just a matter of time now.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders has put the light on where the problems lie and what we need to do to right the situation while Hillary lies about what the problems really are and what she would do.

After Iowa, it's not much of a contest now.
Just a waiting game, waiting for her to drop out and endorse Bernie.




 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. Actually I expect it to be a fight, tooth & nail, to the finish line
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

The thought of Hillary "dropping out and endorsing Bernie" just somehow does not
comport with her obsessive insistence on laying claim to being America's "first woman
president", come hell or high water.

I guess we shall see what Super Tuesday brings. I'm certainly not taking anything
for granted just yet.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
18. Interesting article, but your excerpts are way too long.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

Please edit to comply with DU's four-paragraph guideline. If you're not familiar with it, here's a link:mmhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=copyright

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
22. It's interesting how many people from the Clinton White House are Bernie supporters now
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016

This guy and Robert Reich immediately come to mind, but I know there are others.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
27. You may say I'm a dreamer ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

But I'm not the only one ..

I hope some day you'll join us ....

GO BERNIE!

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