I am with you on this. Establishment doesn't want Sanders. Voting integrity in the US is compromised.

wish it was set up so I didn't have to.

There is a reason that neither party establishment has fought to provide verifiable voting.

imo this has to be part of the revolution - we have a lot of work to do.

The differences are so miniscule compared to the slop in the process of counting and recounting, that makes this, an absolutely valid issue.

Plus, the polls overall have consistent - a slow, but steady rise in Sanders' numbers.

Finally, if there's even a hint that the election was gamed, there'll be hell to pay. Even Republican Graniteheads will be up in arms. We take our politics seriously here.

It'll be a long night, but I am reasonably sure Sanders will do well.

that makes me feel better about nh, but of course there are many states where things could get "confused".

Apparently you might not even be able to review the ballots if you think there were shenanigans.

from: http://bradblog.com/

"We go on to discuss worries about the even less transparent New Hampshire Primary, where most of the state still uses the same Diebold paper ballot optical-scan computer systems to tally votes that were seen flipping a mock election in HBO's Emmy-nominated 2006 documentary Hacking Democracy. (Watch how it was done right here, and feel free to be concerned when the 100% unverified results are reported next Tuesday night.)

Among the recommendations Harris offers for those concerned about Election Integrity next week (and for the rest of the year, frankly): "One thing I think is really important --- is for people to get out their mobile phones, take a picture of the results at the polling place [at the end of the night] and they can text it to themselves, to a friend, put 'em on Facebook, Tweet it." She says that puts a timestamp on the graphic image of results as they were produced by computers at the precinct, which can later be compared to the results reported by the state on the web. "I think that's one thing that's pretty important this time. Just photograph the paperwork. It's not hard. Ship it off electronically somewhere, which will automatically timestamp it."

That's particularly important in places like New Hampshire where, she explains, the state "very quietly, and actually wrongfully, passed a law in 2003 so that we cannot go back and look at [paper ballots after the election] ... In New Hampshire, they put an amendment on an unrelated bill, the dark of night, and quietly said 'ballots are not a public record anymore'. So while they may say, 'we have ballots and anyone can look', that's not true. I tried." "

thankfully obama had enough other votes to overcome it elsewhere

we have to make sure Bernie does too

seems counter-intuitive.

I recall Obama was favored in NH in '08... HC pulled off a win; changing the Primary narrative entirely.
( Am I remembering this correctly?)

"new hampshire" obama clinton 2008 voting fraud

That was my take away from the Bernstein interview where he kept repeating that the WH and establishment are very worried that Bernie will win.

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how far the tentacles could reach to rig this.

The power brokers have so much to lose if Bernie gets in. It scares them to death and they will go all out to defeat him.

I really wonder about the meeting Bernie had with Obama at the WH. Wonder if he asked him to drop out....

or if president knows indictments are coming, he might have warned him that they might try and float biden.

the pressure that bernie has been under from all sides, i just admire him more and more...

I'll be so glad when this whole thing is over. I can imagine the toll it's taking on Bernie; just the weight of his schedule would do me in.

This was during the Rovian era. We need to organize our own exit polling to help keep an eye out. There is a good reason why electronic voting and reporting systems stay easy to hack and the only way to check their accuracy is by exit polling which they stopped doing.

I think this is their form of "Break glass in case of emergency!"

jeff weaver seems on top of things, and i have a feeling they are running observation ops that they won't even tell us about.

and feel he'll do the absolute best he can to insure no shenanigans are taking place. I don't think he's the type to let things slide. I'm sure
he knows what the Bernie campaign is up against with the Clinton Machine.

guess who probably has more "friends" on the bench?

They have the expertise and methods for both accurate exit poling and ensuring cheating, electronic or otherwise will not happen under their watch. As sophisticated as our election fraud specialists think they may be at pulling off a rigged election, they are rank amateurs when compared to the fraudsters the UN has successfully countered.

If they knew such involvement would only vindicate the process and boost confidence in our election system, they would joke about it a bit and then say, "sure! we can finally put an end to the absurd election fraud meme".

There resistance, especially since such resistance is considered axiomatic by people such as yourself (and many others by the way), kinda' proves the need for it. Does it not?

but i am not sure they can legally stop people from conducting their own exit polls and such. it still is a semi free country, at least for the moment....

I worry, too. I just hope Anonymous is watching. They endorsed Bernie, you know.

they can't do much about caucuses, but i bet they will be monitoring the primaries.

and this time around is no different. demonstrated porous electronic voting systems and well-documented and rampant republican voter suppression efforts recur unabated year after year. this time, everywhere both sanders and clinton appear in public nationwide, sanders' turnout is on an order of magnitude higher but she wins by 0.02? all those people standing for hours in the winter weather just to hear sanders speak decided to stay home on the night it really matters? i think the only way we can overcome this is with the biggest gotv effort the country has ever seen, and even that may not be enough. we've heard quite enough from coincidence theorists who reassure us everything is copacetic every time...invariably accompanied by some muddled story and no written accountability.

now they are practically doing it out in the open.

Jeb and Harris and the Florida debacle forever tainted the public trust.

I though it was very strange that Sanders was on a pace to pass Hillary, then at 92% in, it paused around .02. It seems very suspicious to me.

long enough in my view, for them to coordinate a stall so that hillary would hang on to that timy lead.

I gave up after 96%, and called it a night.

bernies numbers kept increasing for almost an hour, and then a sudden stop.

how much more obvious could they be?

Awfully coincidental.

You probably are safest assuming there are no honest referees in these contests -Clinton appears to own them.

Terrible thing to say but corrupting the DNC is a terrible thing for a candidate to do.

It's pretty awful

Scarborough: Leaving Iowa, Top Journalists Quietly Told Me 'You Know Bernie Won'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280111120

And the mainstream media, the big referee, hasn't done a whole heck of a lot about it (Desmoines Register did)

Now you also have to watch Nevada because there were dirty things that went on there by Clinton in '08

It's going to happen, and worrying about it won't make it not happen.

can't be trusted where she is concerned and I'd put nothing past them. Nothing.

The biggest problem Tuesday might be weather. Snow and high winds are predicted for Monday night through Tuesday.

Yes, if you live in NH, so what else is new; however, it could be a problem in the rural areas. We're the last to get dug out. Luke warm voters might sit tight and if there is any power outages (what else is new) a lot of sitting it out.

Just a heads up.

as to the weather, i would hope that people there are used to getting around in it. but the young people that came out in a storm to a bernie rally will come and vote. older folks for clinton, maybe not so much.

We are use to it, but we also don't tempt the weather gods unnecessarily.

Let's put it this way: About a hundred feet up the rud (NH for road) is what we call Dead Man's Curve, 75 degree angle on upgrade. Misjudge or go stupid and there's an excellent possibility of losing control, skidding over the verge and rolling down the 50 foot drop to the crick. I don't go near it until it stops snowing, the winds die down and the plow truck makes at least one pass, two is better.

Morale of the story: Off the freeways, there is no such thing as a flat straight rud in NH. Almost forgot, Dead Man's Curve has a Dangerous Curve sign posted. If a New Englander thinks it's dangerous, it's a beaut.

A little local color

The caucuses are conducted by party officials, who by their nature are the party establishment. Very low accountability, and no consequences for putting their thumb on the scales.
The primaries are conducted by state and county officials, who are elected, accountable to state and federal election laws, and are subject to criminal charges if caught cooking the results. Not to mention a close result triggers an automatic recount. So overall, there's probably a lower likelihood of shenanigans in a primary as the risk of being caught is higher and the penalty greater. Not to say it won't happen, just less likely. I'm pretty confident NH's results will be on the up and up.

than caucus states.

Nevada might turn out to be a clusterfuck, I think Sanders and Clinton are going to be pretty close there.
Texas has their oddball 'Texas Two-Step' that awards delegates based on a primary AND a caucus, that usually is unpredictable.

bernie is doing well there, but the state after is s.c. if they can "help" her win there, even by a bit, it could fit into their narrative that he can only win nh. and i believe they will. try.

There are 4 possible outcomes:
Bernie wins,
Bernie ties in a clean caucus,
Hillary wins but is caught cheating again,
Hillary wins big.

3 of the 4 are positive outcomes for Bernie, and the 4th is unlikely. Never underestimate the ability of Hillary to shoot herself in the foot.

If Bernie had "won" the "home team" would have been in very difficult jeopardy. Imagine if Bernie could have claimed the first two wins! Momentum.

I felt falsely assured there would be not election fraud in Iowa because people voted with their bodies and the counting was falsified so of course I am more worried in a primary that can be so easily hacked electronically. Luckily, Bernie, unlike Gore, will push for recounts and verification.

Accused Barack Obama of fraud in the last 2 elections. Had no proof though. So what proof do you have that fraud will occur, and why?

based on the increasing number of discrepancies in iowa and the real possibility that bernie actually won but that counters either accidentally or purposefully screwed up the counts.

Yeah, it's a possibility. But I think the national DP is so sensitive to accusations about this after Iowa that it certainly reduces the odds, and Hillary has been spinning the "NH doesn't matter anyway, plus it's in the bag for Bernie, it's his backyard, etc." narrative for weeks now to lower expectations. Not a huge incentive to cheat at this point (though that's not to say there's none). And although the polls have been all over the place, they are still far enough apart (in spite of narrowing) that a surprise Hillary victory would raise more than a few eyebrows. Of course, this is just my 2¢. I'm not dismissing the reality that there are some good reasons to wonder.

On a brighter note, one of the most recent polls that just came out had this little tidbit:

“Which of the candidates who are running for the Democratic nomination would you NOT vote for under any circumstance?”

HRC: 21%
Bernie: 7%

One click and you can encourage the Des Moines Register to continue the story.

Submit Letters to the Editor at the Des Moines Register to: http://static.desmoinesregister.com/submit-a-letter/

The register could easily just "drop" the story and let it go. Bernie can't stay focused on this because it looks like poor sportsmanship, but the paper is doing the right thing by keeping the story alive.

This investigation is not just important for Iowa but can be an important example that helps keep thousands of other states local caucus and primary officials from putting an innocent little finger on the scales here and there.

I don't assume this is a conspiracy but since the DNC clearly sees Sanders as an interloper local officials can so easily transpose a number or two . . . "for the good of the country" . . and they need to at least know someone may catch them.

I mean really, exactly how? Republicans want voter ID s there's no fraud, so what kind of fraud do you think Dems are going to commit? As a Dem and Bernie supporter, I find your cries of "fraud" really, really concerning. Are you accusing the national Democratic party, or candidate Hillary Clinton, of fraud?

and in response # 66. anyone who paid attention to the 2000 election and forward knows that stealing elections is not only possible, it has happened.

You are a Democrat accusing the party of fraud. Nice.

and release the raw data sheets like bernie has asked, instead of iowa dem chair/hillary supporter stonewalling the process and refusing an audit, i will be happy to rethink my position.

but until then, i remain open to every possibility to explain the sudden stop of bernie's votes overtaking hillary"s.

are you opposed to a full audit and release of of the iowa raw data?

If there was still a 20-30 point margin and she stole it, red flag. If it's closer and she steals it, the Corrupt Corporate Owned MSM will just accept it and crown her queen.

BERNIE MUST HAVE A MASSIVE TURNOUT...Too Big to Steal

And, IMCPO, the polls aren't that close. That's bullshit. EVERYONE in NH knows HRH. She's campaigned there 3 other times. They already knew her before her polls miraculously went up, so I'm not buying the sudden rise in the polls - but that's just me.
As long as Bernie voters show up, he wins big!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

I full recount is a must.

There shouldn't be any question about it. Even if one is declared winner, there is a bitter victory if there is dispute. It wouldn't feel clean.

Who do you go to?

The media.

All together now:

Just realistic. We know they will pull every trick they can to shift the vote. That's the Clinton style.

the jump she had today was scarey.
You can see the reason that the dems never did anything about the voting machines. Lost two presidencies and had a never-ending war and but they ignored the problem but now they can use it to get who they want and say we are a "centrist" country not really for what Bernie would fight for after all so don't try this again.
She isn't going to win and but they don't care, Trump or Cruz is so much better for them than a democratic socialist.

BERNSTEIN:
(other remarks)...

To people in the White House that I talked to, it is unfathomable that she did this and has endangered President Obama's legacy. As I say, they are terrified at this point, and they want Bernie Sanders to not do well on Tuesday and Hillary to do well because if this keeps going like that, they see real problems ahead.

so the wh wants bernie to do poorly on tues and clinton to do well?

wtf do we think is going to happen then?

voter fraud they may incite a real revolution and not the kind Bernie has spoken about either. A lot of people are seeing this happen this time. I think that they are ready for it, they want the country to be shaped the way they want. I wonder if anyone, like another country would even think of helping?
I so hope that I am wrong and that they just let the chips fall where they may.

than bernie himself. he is smart and has a good team. and he knows they will pull every possible trick ala, dws cutting him off from his own data and scheduling the debates to protect hillary. but yes, if they try fraud this time, i agree with you thst the people will not stand for it. i even saw some people on fr rooting for bernie..not because they agree with him but because he, like trump, is saying eff you to the ruling establishment.

he has an uphill battle and he knows it. but we have to stand strong and stand together, like bernie always says

he is wise and a fighter. I think he knows that we got his back.

Iowa, where the caucus was run by a State Party headed by a HRC activist with a pro-Hillary license plate on her car, was much more dubious. Everyone will have to keep voter theft in mind as this thing goes on but I doubt Sanders can be stopped by things like that.

And as things develop and move along I think a lot of the nuts&bolts party activists will come over and join up.

no offense to coffeecat or other iowans, but i hope this was as bad as it gets regarding vote issues.

As David Dill once put it "It isn't enough that elections be accurate--we have to know that they are accurate, and we don't" He suggests a uniform auditing standard to be developed by statisticians.

is leaving such a bad aftertaste. i do hope the other states, esp the primary states, will be better. and now since iowa, everyone will be watching closely. thats a good thing but we will all have to be on guard. and i believe bernie has a good team. still, no way the oligarchy is going to go easy...

......and I hope that Bernie has a whole lot of volunteer lawyers identified to help if necessary.

from: http://bradblog.com/

"We go on to discuss worries about the even less transparent New Hampshire Primary, where most of the state still uses the same Diebold paper ballot optical-scan computer systems to tally votes that were seen flipping a mock election in HBO's Emmy-nominated 2006 documentary Hacking Democracy. (Watch how it was done right here, and feel free to be concerned when the 100% unverified results are reported next Tuesday night.)

Among the recommendations Harris offers for those concerned about Election Integrity next week (and for the rest of the year, frankly): "One thing I think is really important --- is for people to get out their mobile phones, take a picture of the results at the polling place and they can text it to themselves, to a friend, put 'em on Facebook, Tweet it." She says that puts a timestamp on the graphic image of results as they were produced by computers at the precinct, which can later be compared to the results reported by the state on the web. "I think that's one thing that's pretty important this time. Just photograph the paperwork. It's not hard. Ship it off electronically somewhere, which will automatically timestamp it."

That's particularly important in places like New Hampshire where, she explains, the state "very quietly, and actually wrongfully, passed a law in 2003 so that we cannot go back and look at ... In New Hampshire, they put an amendment on an unrelated bill, the dark of night, and quietly said 'ballots are not a public record anymore'. So while they may say, 'we have ballots and anyone can look', that's not true. I tried." "

we really need to start a national wave to get everyone to photo their results so we have proof of who votoed how, right there in the voting booth

i have little to no faith this is going to be carried out properly, at least in some states.

there is simply too much riding on it, and tptb know it

(I thought that one by Harris over at Bradblog looked familiar). I hope folks follow your suggestion. I have little trust in the Powers That Be, I have tons more trust in the common voter though.

Up to that point there's a possibility of verification after further appraisal.

But it seems that a large sector of the US population doesn't understand this.

Pity.