Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumIn 2008, every single poll of the last 16 had Obama winning New Hampshire.
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12 of the 16 final polls had Obama winning by anywhere from a 7% to 13% margin.
Then, after the black box voting machines did their magic, Clinton had turned what RCP had figured to be a 8.3% deficit into a 2.6% victory. A simple line of code that flipped every 20th or so vote for Obama to Clinton could have accounted for this discrepancy.
Now that exit polling has been 86'ed by our corporate masters, we'll never know unless we demand a hand recount of the opscan ballots with a clear chain and transparent of custody of the ballots between the time they are counted by machine and the time they are recounted by hand.
There are some New Hampshire precincts that still count the ballots manually. It will be interesting to see how the results from these precincts differ from those of the electronically counted precincts.
Here is how this played out in 2008:
In the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton was more successful in New Hampshire wards that used Accuvote optical scan vote-tabulating technology than was Barack Obama, receiving 4.3% more of the vote there (40.2% for Clinton versus 35.9% for Obama). In contrast, Clinton did worse than Obama in wards that counted paper ballots by hand, trailing by 6.1% (33.7% versus 39.8%).
It goes without saying that the vast majority of votes were electronically tabulated.
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The linked report tries to explain this result away as the product of demographical difference, but this analysis makes the fatally flawed assumption that the 2004 primary was not also rigged against Dean in much the same manner. I ran the numbers then, and the same strange "anti-establishment" effect was shown. but only among the rural counties that voted by hand, something that counterintuitive at the time, given that these rural NH counties are generally more Republican overall.
Kucinich's partial recount showed only very minor errors, but the order the recount proceeded in as well as the chain of ballot custody in the recount was completely controlled the same people who reported the vote totals to begin with.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)America does not deserve this.
All we can do is press forward. Use your fear and anxiety to work hard for Bernie.
Call. Canvas. Write a letter to the editor. Donate.
Comment. Speak out.
We cannot control what evil does. All we can do is work hard and try to defeat it.
We can't let it paralyze us.
America will wake up, as the states vote and as the primary process continues. People know what's going on.
Part of the reason that she lost in 2008, is because the way she campaigned was atrocious. Both the media and America turned on her and she lost the nomination in 2008. She's much, much worse in 2016. She didn't steal a caucus and turn it into a circus in 2008. People know. People get it. As Joe Scarborough said, so many media heavy hitters told him that they knew that Bernie won Iowa.
The media knows. They may not be able to report on what they can't prove, but I think we'll see, real quick, the end of the media preferential treatment for Hillary.
We will do this. Onward--despite the cheaters and liars.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)problem who do you trust?
Paka
(2,760 posts)He has a solid resume in that area.
Paka
(2,760 posts)You have been so great with all your updates. We have to just keep fighting until we win.
mhatrw
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If the actual results show a landslide for Sanders in NH, they will realize their gig is almost up if not completely up and they will adjust the level of pain they are inflicting on the US populace accordingly. The last thing they want is a non-political revolution. They periodically give us some crumbs if we demand them loudly enough.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Otherwise, she WILL try to steal it. Bernie needs massive voter turnout. I hope NH Bernie supporters know that!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
jillan
(39,451 posts)to do with it?
In fact, I keep waiting for her to sit down and have another public crying session.
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