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Related: About this forumEstablishment Figures Want to Scare You with Superdelegates. Here's Why It's Bullshit
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/after-sanders-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.htmlA: Heres why it doesnt matter: Superdelegates have never decided a Democratic nomination. It would be insane, even by the corrupt standards of the Democratic National Committee, if a small group of party elites went against the will of the people to choose the presidential nominee.
Democrats win when turnout is high, and if the DNC decides to go against the will of the people and force Clinton down the electorates throat, theyd be committing political suicide.
However, that doesnt mean theyll overthrow the will of the people when it comes to the presidential nomination. Assuming Sanders wins the popular vote nationwide, and assuming the Superdelegates put Clinton over the top, lets consider the consequences:
1. Sanders supporters abandon Clinton completely, cutting off a huge portion of her base.
2. Massive protests at the convention, and a party split in half.
3. Republicans have the easiest attack in presidential election history: Her own party didnt even want her!
4. The perception that Clinton is fatally dishonest grows wings, and even if people are reluctant to vote for the GOP nominee, an independent like Bloomberg strips away an awful lot of votes.
All of this spells disaster for the Democrats. It may not be too corrupt for the DNC to imaginetheyve got terrific imaginationsbut its too transparent to execute. The winner of the delegate count from state primaries and caucuses will win the nomination, and the Superdelegates will fall in line. Just as they have in every single election since the system was implemented. (Including in 2008, when this same concern was raisedwould Superdelegates cost Obama the nomination?)
Even the Democratic power structure isnt so short-sighted that it would cut off its nose to spite its face.
1. Sanders supporters abandon Clinton completely, cutting off a huge portion of her base.
2. Massive protests at the convention, and a party split in half.
3. Republicans have the easiest attack in presidential election history: Her own party didnt even want her!
4. The perception that Clinton is fatally dishonest grows wings, and even if people are reluctant to vote for the GOP nominee, an independent like Bloomberg strips away an awful lot of votes.
All of this spells disaster for the Democrats. It may not be too corrupt for the DNC to imaginetheyve got terrific imaginationsbut its too transparent to execute. The winner of the delegate count from state primaries and caucuses will win the nomination, and the Superdelegates will fall in line. Just as they have in every single election since the system was implemented. (Including in 2008, when this same concern was raisedwould Superdelegates cost Obama the nomination?)
Even the Democratic power structure isnt so short-sighted that it would cut off its nose to spite its face.
In addition, with all the heavy losses of Democrats throughout America since 2010, I don't think the Democratic Party can afford a devastating election.
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Establishment Figures Want to Scare You with Superdelegates. Here's Why It's Bullshit (Original Post)
AZ Progressive
Feb 2016
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The Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie - No Tactic Is Too Low Or Malicious
cantbeserious
Feb 2016
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)1. The Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie - No Tactic Is Too Low Or Malicious
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Kilgore
(1,733 posts)2. Ok, lets assume you are correct
Then why do SD's exist??
Their mere existence tells me you are wrong.
TBF
(32,064 posts)3. The NYTimes is just pissing me off daily -
today it's "Harry Reid says it may be a brokered convention" ...
Harry Reid, if Bernie has the popular vote and your superdelegates hand it to Hillary there will be hell to pay.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)4. It's problematic to say the winner of the popular vote
Not unlike the electoral college system, a candidate can have more popular votes and still not have more delegates. You can have a low voter turn out in California, but it's still going to be a buttload of delegates. HRC got more popular votes in 2008.