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leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:55 PM Feb 2016

However Vermont Votes, Leahy Says His Superdelegate Vote Is Clinton's

Sen. Patrick Leahy, one of Vermont’s nine superdelegates for this summer’s Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, is steadfast in his support for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton despite strong backing for fellow Sen. Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire and Iowa.

Leahy was early to announce his support for Clinton, and said Monday that she can expect his support as long as she’s in the race. He said he would not change his mind, even if Sanders won his home state in the March 1 primary.

“You know, the Leahys have been in Vermont since the 1800s,” Leahy said when asked about the possibility of changing his support. “One of the touchstones of our family – I learned it from my grandparents, I learned it from my parents, and I’ve tried to teach my children – is you keep your word. Long before Sen. Sanders ever said he was going to run, I urged then-Secretary Clinton to run and told her I’d support her. I think anybody who knows me, anybody who knows my years as state’s attorney or my years in the Senate, know that I’d never break my word. And certainly Sen. Sanders would never ask me to break my word, nor has he. If Sen. Sanders is the nominee, I’ll happily campaign all over the country for him. We’ve worked together, he’s a good friend of mine, our wives are friends, and ... I’m proud of a lot of the issues he’s raised. But first and foremost I always keep my word. Nobody, especially Sen. Sanders, would ever ask me to break my word.”


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However Vermont Votes, Leahy Says His Superdelegate Vote Is Clinton's (Original Post) leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 OP
Yeah, your word against the will of the people. I know which one I think is a higher principle. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #1
Fay-ah! immoderate Feb 2016 #2
We salute you Sen. Leahy Paulie Feb 2016 #3
DOMAcrat loyalty. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #4
I've always admired Sen. Leahy. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #5
Whatever Mufaddal Feb 2016 #6
Is another Dem running against him? Stevepol Feb 2016 #14
That would surprise me Mufaddal Feb 2016 #17
Well of course ..did we or could we expect Leahey to vote any differently INdemo Feb 2016 #7
By all means, keep your word... dchill Feb 2016 #8
Isn't his word, first, to the people of Vermont as their representative? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #15
I wonder how many others are prepared to tell their voters to pound sand. bunnies Feb 2016 #9
What's he going to do when Bernie goes to the convention with the overwhelming support of in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #10
Then it's time to put Mr. Leahey out of work. SoapBox Feb 2016 #11
He is almost insulting. He's royalty and we are the plebians? leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #16
Exactly so. Autumn Feb 2016 #23
When situations change, you have to know when to change your position, Senator Leahy. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #12
This malarkey happened in 2008 as well. It's all hot air. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #13
You've posted this opinion several times. There are possible flaws in the reasoning. delrem Feb 2016 #20
+1. Comparing to 2008, when we know "But Bernie is not Obama!" is too risky Bernin4U Feb 2016 #24
Leahy will change his tune in a few weeks Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #18
He promised her before Bernie jumped in the race, so it's really no big deal. jillan Feb 2016 #19
I can appreciate the principle of keeping his promise. drm604 Feb 2016 #21
It's a strange twist on the term 'promise'. delrem Feb 2016 #22
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. DOMAcrat loyalty.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

Big giant DOMA yes voter, Leahy rattles on about ancient family history because he is a creature of a distant past. Heritage, promises, birthrights....

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
5. I've always admired Sen. Leahy.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

I wish he felt he could support Bernie, but he at least he explained his position in terms I understand.

PS I hate the whole idea of "superdelegates".

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
6. Whatever
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

Interesting to know Leahy is suddenly untroubled by things like acting as a representative for those of us who have elected him over and over again. He can phrase it however he likes, it's still pathetic that he "gave his word" before our state spoke. He's up for re-election this year and I won't be forgetting that. I get that people are fond of him, but this is ridiculous.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
17. That would surprise me
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

Which is the problem. Now, a third party or independent option... I haven't heard that yet, but it's a possibility.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
7. Well of course ..did we or could we expect Leahey to vote any differently
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

Now if Jesus Christ would all of a sudden make a audible endorsement of Hillary ..well then I'd be concerned

dchill

(38,536 posts)
8. By all means, keep your word...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

To the DLC, DWS and HRC, honorable truth-tellers all. Oh, and to your SuperPACs, as well.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
15. Isn't his word, first, to the people of Vermont as their representative?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016

And, if so, shouldn't he abide by their wishes?

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
9. I wonder how many others are prepared to tell their voters to pound sand.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

This could get very interesting.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
10. What's he going to do when Bernie goes to the convention with the overwhelming support of
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

WE THE PEOPLE?

I bet their wives aren't "friends" anymore. Friends don't shit on you when you need them the most. Friends, my ass...fair weathered, I'd say. Bernie announced his run long before Clinton did.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
11. Then it's time to put Mr. Leahey out of work.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

The Entrenched Elite and Cushy Establishment continues to show that they are more interested in being Elite than they are about the needs of the 99%.

This will be part of the Political Revolution.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
12. When situations change, you have to know when to change your position, Senator Leahy.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:25 PM
Feb 2016

In the face of the Civil War, many Southern Senators felt the same way about "keeping your word", and then the worst war we ever fought in was started over people claiming they wouldn't "break their word".


CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
13. This malarkey happened in 2008 as well. It's all hot air.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

All of this Superdelegate nonsense is just a way for the Hillary camp to puff up her feathers and make it seem like Bernie has no chance of winning.

It was a load of crap in 2008 with Obama. It's a load of crap in 2016 with Sanders.

We don't know which candidate, Sanders or Clinton, will earn the most hard delegates. The candidates that wins those hard delegates will also win the Superdelegates.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that those SDs would usurp the will of the people. It's not going to happen.

If Bernie does continue to do well and win these states--the dynamic completely changes. I think people forget what happened to this country and also the huge line of support that Obama coalesced behind him. If Sanders continues winning, he will do the same.

The SDs will have no choice. If Bernie has more hard delegates and the majority of the Dems behind him in lockstep, they will all fall in line.

Anything else is bluster.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
20. You've posted this opinion several times. There are possible flaws in the reasoning.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

One possible flaw is that regardless of Obama's "change" mantra, he and Clinton were very similar politically, as made evident immediately after the election. Political insiders would have known this, even as less informed voters and bystanders were swept up in jubilation that change was in the offing. After all, he ran on e.g. 'I didn't vote for the Iraq war, and was against it', yet immediately promoted her to SoS where she could and did double down on the neocon adventure. Rahm, and Obama's entire list of appointees, largely pulled from the Clinton stable. Esp. on economics and foreign policy. Political insiders would have known it was coming.

I don't think this can be said of Sanders. He isn't an insider. He threatens their world. He threatens their entire structure, whether it's directly and openly third-way or whether it's just a dependent derivative position on the second or third tiers, as in "the Democratic progressive caucus", which hasn't the spine to stand up. In fact, all except one of those "Dem progressive" members who did endorse, endorsed Hillary Clinton, who they KNOW isn't even remotely close to being a "progressive" (except - she's pro-choice! yay! Her ONLY positive, and even that is half-assed). That can't be explained away with a shrug.

I think what Leahy is saying is that he'll join with the other Clinton dedicated superdelegates to overturn the will of the Dem party nationally, and not just those of Vermont, if that's the situation those superdelegates are given to decide. I wouldn't pass this off as being just talk, this time. I think they're serious about it.

(p.s. - would you have imagined that Steinem would ever say such a thing, if the situation were "normal" according as her white/liberal/establishment reading? She's totally out of the loop created by eg. feminist organizations like SisterSong on this one, yet she seems oblivious. Leahy and the other superdelegates might equally be oblivious.)

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
24. +1. Comparing to 2008, when we know "But Bernie is not Obama!" is too risky
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:54 PM
Feb 2016

The establishment supporters of the establishment candidate will not flip so easily. They have too much to lose.

Bernie is generating huge momentum DESPITE the dem party. For him to make real progress will require the kind of party support that Reagan and Dubya enjoyed behind them. The current dem party ain't it.

I see this very likely turning into a bigger rift between the left and right factions of the dem party. It may become Do or Die for the SDs. I think they will cross the picket line, if it means saving a win for H. And more business as usual for themselves.

Leahy has already shown them how easy it is.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
21. I can appreciate the principle of keeping his promise.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:48 AM
Feb 2016

The problem is with making such a promise to begin with. It's anti-democratic.

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