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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:44 PM Jun 2015

Wisconsin Dem. Convention straw poll: Clinton 49%, Sanders 40%, Biden 3%, O'Malley 3%

Clinton tops Wisc. Dems straw poll, Sanders a close second

Democratic Party of Wisconsin conventioneers backed Hillary Clinton for the party’s presidential nomination next year, while Bernie Sanders finished a strong second, according to a WisPolitics.com straw poll.

Meanwhile, Sen. Kathleen Vinehout of Alma was favored in the 2018 Democratic gubernatorial primary straw poll.

Clinton drew support from 252 of the 511 delegates, alternates and registered guests who voted in the straw poll. Sanders was backed by 208, while Vice President Joe Biden and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley tied for a distant third with 16 votes each.

Clinton was also the favorite of activists at last year’s convention, taking almost 55 percent of the vote in the WisPolitics.com straw poll.
more: http://demconvos.wispolitics.com/2015/06/wispoliticscom-straw-poll-wisdem.html


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Wisconsin Dem. Convention straw poll: Clinton 49%, Sanders 40%, Biden 3%, O'Malley 3% (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 OP
Within striking distance Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #1
Yeah, I don't think this is super super significant for the horse race... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #8
.... madfloridian Jun 2015 #34
I find that pretty darned impressive. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #2
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #5
Give it time. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #13
Absolutely. And there's plenty of time left for Hillary to keep shooting herself in the foot. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #23
The gun has to be loaded before someone can shoot themselves in the foot n/t Scootaloo Jun 2015 #58
Impressive because swilton Jun 2015 #53
Excellent News - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #3
...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #67
Bernie usually attends Fighting Bob Fest, doesn't he? House of Roberts Jun 2015 #4
He was there last fall and was terrific. Scuba Jun 2015 #43
Love it. That's not far behind for a "Bernie come lately". libdem4life Jun 2015 #6
We'll be seeing more numbers like that. Nt HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #7
Encouraging Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #9
Go Bernie! jalan48 Jun 2015 #10
Are you kidding me? raindaddy Jun 2015 #11
Haven't you heard? Polls don't matter, which only came after Hillary's precipitous fall in the polls. Bernie's got the "Big Mo." InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #24
He does!!!! raindaddy Jun 2015 #26
This was a straw poll... A self selected one at that. Adrahil Jun 2015 #55
When it comes to polls... SoapBox Jun 2015 #56
That's the GOPs line. Adrahil Jun 2015 #57
If those polled are party activists, that says a good number of people hedgehog Jun 2015 #59
Frankly, I am stunned by the success. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2015 #12
And a LOT of people thought the same way you did. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #47
Rahm and the third way democrats kenfrequed Jun 2015 #49
Excellent post. It was great propaganda and it worked, especially during the Bush regime sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #50
Won't the numbers be interesting when things get going nationwide. SoapBox Jun 2015 #14
Full Results: thesquanderer Jun 2015 #15
Wow, impressive. TM99 Jun 2015 #20
Bernie must win this. Or I wouldn't give a dime for this country. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #31
yep DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #37
What else could I say? OMG! This is absolutely incredible! And this is not dumb Iowans voting. DrBulldog Jun 2015 #16
You got that right. Go Bernie Go! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #25
This means many Democrats are LISTENING to Bernie. That is one of the big goals he must achieve. DrBulldog Jun 2015 #17
Yes, there is hope for Wisconsin!!! Kalidurga Jun 2015 #18
So soon in the game... Paka Jun 2015 #19
247 more consultants have been hired to address this issue. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #21
+1 Fearless Jun 2015 #22
Yes Manny, more consultants to tell Hillary what to think & say - thats the ticket! Imagine if Elizabeth had jumped in the race... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #27
There's the difference between Bernie and Hillary... raindaddy Jun 2015 #29
Obviously this OP is rigged, and must be banned immediately!! 7962 Jun 2015 #28
We need to get the word out on Bernie. Obviously he would swamp Hillary if the truth was out. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #30
Good news. madfloridian Jun 2015 #32
Oh that's cool Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #35
Let's get the gleam! JeffHead Jun 2015 #33
LOL Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #36
I'm a lifelong Browns fan enigmatic Jun 2015 #42
Feel the Bern !!! ccatcook Jun 2015 #38
First post? Welcome. Be careful, is addictive Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #40
Welcome to DU! Scuba Jun 2015 #44
Only nine points separate Hillary and Bernie. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #39
Well let's not carried away... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #41
This same group also rejected the wolf in sheep's clothing (Jason Rae) and elected a real ... Scuba Jun 2015 #45
A real progressive who thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage? sybylla Jun 2015 #61
Have not heard that. Do you have a citation? Scuba Jun 2015 #63
I have a blog post that links to the debate where she said it just 7 months ago. sybylla Jun 2015 #65
That's disappointing, but I do appreciate you letting me know. Scuba Jun 2015 #68
This should scrare the hell out of hillary supporters Robbins Jun 2015 #46
Pretty good for an "old guy" - TBF Jun 2015 #48
Senator Sanders surpassed the expectations that had been laid out Babel_17 Jun 2015 #51
Like 2008 colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #52
Bernie has lots of experience fighting for the underdog - swilton Jun 2015 #54
FYI, that's only about a third of the total registered delegates, alternates and guests. sybylla Jun 2015 #60
Yes thank you. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #62
Surprised the headline isn't "Over Half of Wisconsin Dems Reject Hillary". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #64
Somebody needs to update these 500 out of 5,750,000 about who is actually running. onehandle Jun 2015 #66
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. Yeah, I don't think this is super super significant for the horse race...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jun 2015

But we deserve a nice headline after everything we've been through lately.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. I find that pretty darned impressive.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

Obviously, I'd prefer to see him be the one at 49%, but it's a darned strong showing, and yet another indication that we still stand a chance of upsetting those who see the primary as having a pro forma outcome, and Bernie's place as being merely to provide some sort of 'foil' to the inevitable 'real' candidate.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Give it time.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:16 PM
Jun 2015

He's still gaining name recognition and getting his message out. He'll catch up to Hillary by the time the caucuses and primaries begin.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
23. Absolutely. And there's plenty of time left for Hillary to keep shooting herself in the foot. Go Bernie!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jun 2015
 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
53. Impressive because
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jun 2015

Clinton has been a de facto candidate since the 1990's - here we have Bernie who did not until recently even have name recognition within the state of Vermont let alone outside of New England. To my knowledge, he has yet to visit Wisconsin....

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
10. Go Bernie!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jun 2015

And as more people hear his message and see that he isn't the typical politician his chances of winning increase.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
11. Are you kidding me?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary only held a 9 point lead over Bernie? That has to be of concern to the Hillary camp.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
24. Haven't you heard? Polls don't matter, which only came after Hillary's precipitous fall in the polls. Bernie's got the "Big Mo."
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jun 2015

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
26. He does!!!!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jun 2015

Frankly for him to be drawing so many people to his events. Doing so well in the donation dept. and now seeing this it's a little shocking.
I really believe people are a lot more fed up than the pundits believed they were and Bernie is speaking their language....

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
55. This was a straw poll... A self selected one at that.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jun 2015

Take a look at the scientifically comducted polls and you'll see a big difference.

Cherry picking data wont chamge the facts.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
57. That's the GOPs line.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

Polls are not an exact science, of course, but the better ones tend to do fairly well, and allow for fairly accurate predictions.

Of course, we're a a long way from any meaningful vote, but if you're pinning your hopes for Bernie on polls all being full of crap....

Well, just prepare to be disappointed is all I'm saying.

Having said that, I would LOVE for the primary to be legitimately contested.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
59. If those polled are party activists, that says a good number of people
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jun 2015

in the base are ready to support Bernie.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
12. Frankly, I am stunned by the success.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jun 2015

I long thought of Bernie Sanders as a sort of lone voice, calling in the wilderness. And I really admired him for it.

Given the absolutely insane nature of RW politics these days, and how many people seem to buy into it so fervently, it is beyond heartening to see such an incredible amount of support for a man who might have been written off as a fringe curiosity not that long ago.

Funny thing. His values turn out to be the values that vast numbers of people didn't realize they had in common until they had cause to examine them.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
47. And a LOT of people thought the same way you did.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:40 AM
Jun 2015

We've had self-fulfilling prophecies about 'having to' elect blue dogs and conservodems for decades, because the voting public has been subtly propagandized to believe that we cannot 'win' by electing Democrats who actually stand strongly for ALL Democratic values and constituencies. That we 'have' to accept those candidates who only care about some principles, but are Republican on many more issues, because they're the only 'electable' ones. That Democrats who believe in ALL Democratic values are 'fringe' or 'voices in the wilderness'.

It's not a matter of accident, but design. And it's carefully done enough that it creates a legion of Stockholm syndrome footsoldiers, who will defend the idea that we can only 'win' electorally by accepting the worst possible candidates, the ones who agree with Republicans on the most issues, the farthest right ones, and believe they're doing the 'right' thing because those candidates are willing to support them on matters that don't 'pick the pockets' of the people who designed the propaganda campaign in the first place.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
49. Rahm and the third way democrats
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jun 2015

They are the latest incarnation of the blue dog/DLC mindstate seeking to make Democrats subordinate to corporate power.

Conservatives nut jobs will call anyone with a D next to their name a communist.. Basing your candidate choices on that is foolish.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
50. Excellent post. It was great propaganda and it worked, especially during the Bush regime
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jun 2015

era. I admit that I fell for it, sort of also as the main goal back then was to defeat Republicans. Many reluctantly held their noses to elect Conservo Dems in order to 'win'.

We did that, and then realized that what we got were a few crumbs, but on the main issues, Forever War, no accountability for War Criminals and Wall St criminals, or even much of a change in the policies of those criminals. Maybe it was necessary to actually see the results of buying into 'winning at any cost' before the real changes that are necessary could begin to happen.

Bernie Sanders back then, could not have had the success he is now achieving imo.

But with so many disillusioned voters he is a breath of fresh air. The time for people who DID vote the right way back then, against the Iraq War, against the Patriot Act eg, when it was considered almost an act of Treason, has now come.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
15. Full Results:
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jun 2015

511 valid ballots

Hillary Clinton 252
Bernie Sanders 208
Joe Biden 16
Martin O’Malley 16
Jim Webb 8
Lincoln Chafee 5
No vote 1

Write-ins:
Elizabeth Warren 4
Tom Vilsack 1

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
20. Wow, impressive.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

Sanders can win this. These numbers should be very worrisome for the Clinton campaign.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
18. Yes, there is hope for Wisconsin!!!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jun 2015

I spent about 6 months in Wisconsin back in the early 80's, I loved it there. It's a beautiful state and I spent a lot of time in Madison, besides the Twin Cities area it's my favorite place in the world. I don't want to see Wisconsin become another Michigan that would be tragic. Plus I want to move there when I retire.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
21. 247 more consultants have been hired to address this issue.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jun 2015

It totally cracks me up that Hillary's "do nothing and freeze everyone else" strategy is a shambles because Bernie won't play the game - he's out there every day tossing truth grenades.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
27. Yes Manny, more consultants to tell Hillary what to think & say - thats the ticket! Imagine if Elizabeth had jumped in the race...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jun 2015

It would've been over for Hillary before it even began.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
29. There's the difference between Bernie and Hillary...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie's speaking the same truth to power as a candidate for President as he has his whole political career. He doesn't need 247 consultants to tell him what issues to focus on, what accent to use or how to convince voters he has their backs. He doesn't need to worry about offending Wall Street or the military contractors because he isn't taking their money... Bernie's free swing away!!!

I can't wait for the debates...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
28. Obviously this OP is rigged, and must be banned immediately!!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jun 2015

Theres no way THIS many people dont understand that the choice has been made FOR them already!

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
42. I'm a lifelong Browns fan
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:14 AM
Jun 2015

Loved Marty's "Gleam" speech and used it myself a few times. Bernie's got "the Gleam"!

ccatcook

(1 post)
38. Feel the Bern !!!
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:19 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie is going to be our next President!!! He isnt bought and sold.He is for the middle class.I love Bernie.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
41. Well let's not carried away...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:45 AM
Jun 2015

It is just a straw poll taken at a state Dem convention...

Oh never mind, party on...

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
45. This same group also rejected the wolf in sheep's clothing (Jason Rae) and elected a real ...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:21 AM
Jun 2015

... progressive as state party chair (Martha Laning).

Way to go Wisconsin Dems!!!!

sybylla

(8,513 posts)
61. A real progressive who thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage?
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jun 2015

Martha was the best choice left, but she still has a butt load of proving herself to do for me.

sybylla

(8,513 posts)
65. I have a blog post that links to the debate where she said it just 7 months ago.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015
http://bloggingblue.com/2015/05/dpw-chair-candidate-martha-laning-in-2014-increase-to-10-minimum-wage-a-lot-to-swallow/

Then there is also this blogger questioning that as well as other issues in this chair's race including her corporate investments and background and the Republican-lite campaign she ran for 9th Senate last year, finishing far behind Mary Burke and far behind the Dem performance rating in her district.
http://political-heat.blogspot.com/2015/05/its-time-to-vet-martha-laning.html

Sure, there's been a lot of BS blog posts on the chair's race this spring, but the evidence, though scant, is there to be found.

Martha may turn out to be a fine chair. I just haven't seen any evidence of the highly-touted "progressive" vein so many think she has.

I am equally concerned about the ability of someone coming from a corporate environment trying to run a party organization that is basically a cooperative. It's goals, and in this case, bottom-up democratic "ownership" is anathema to those who have earned their stripes in the top-down corporate world. And since when is a corporate executive ever in charge of marketing and messaging? Something we desperately need.

I guess time will tell. I just struggle to find the enthusiasm.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
46. This should scrare the hell out of hillary supporters
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:29 AM
Jun 2015

She at straw poll at Dem convention In Wisconsin only has a 9 point lead over guy the MSM keeps telling us has no chance to win.
And this is only early.it's been only over a week since official kickoff of sanders campagin.

Of course they will ignore this saying straw poll doesn't mean as much as actual polls but it's sign her inevitial is warning.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
51. Senator Sanders surpassed the expectations that had been laid out
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

This is the ongoing trend, the Sanders campaign has achieved significant momentum. Name recognition is following close on the heels of this, and helping to propel things along. The more people know, the better the campaign will do. And now that Sanders absolutely has earned recognition, people will learn more.
The inevitable scurrilous attacks are going to harm those dishing them out and help highlight the motives behind them.
The voters are primed for this true Progressive to campaign.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
52. Like 2008
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary was a lock that year as well, but then...oops Obama caught her and passed her. Why not Bernie?

The difference is that Bernie will not cave once in like Obama did, and like Bill Clinton did before him. Rubin and his gang shouldn't even try.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
54. Bernie has lots of experience fighting for the underdog -
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

the records and video libraries are full of examples.....

sybylla

(8,513 posts)
60. FYI, that's only about a third of the total registered delegates, alternates and guests.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jun 2015

Just adding this to make it clear that this straw poll is hardly a complete survey of the party's core in Wisconsin.

Even so, as someone who is a party member and convention regular in WI, I am surprised to see Sander's finish this high even with a partial poll.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
66. Somebody needs to update these 500 out of 5,750,000 about who is actually running.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Pretty sure Pat Paulsen is in there somewhere.

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