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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:02 PM Feb 2016

Someone's comment cut and pasted from Reddit-Sanders

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Here's some perspective, facts, trends, damage control, whatever you want to call it.

Bernie is losing Nevada by 4.3% (as of me typing this with 80% in). This sucks and is obviously worse than tying or winning, no doubt. But never forget that Bernie was losing by over 45% in Nevada a year ago, he was losing by 23% as recently as December.

However, it is important to remember that, despite some backpedaling, this is part of Clinton's "firewall" that's supposed to stop Sanders. He was definitely supposed to lose here as of a few weeks ago, but his nationwide surge made people temper expectations in case things went poorly for her.

Obama lost Nevada by 5.7%, a larger margin than the one Bernie just lost by (as of right now), and he tied in delegates (no idea how that will go this time around). While it's true that Obama also won Iowa and South Carolina, he lost in New Hampshire. Their campaign trajectories may seem similar in the boarder national picture, but not as much on a state-by-state basis.

Someones's reading this right now going "pfft, crazy Sanders supporters will justify everything! Just like Bitcoin, everything is good news for Bernie." I say this not to say "Nevada doesn't count, hahaha!" I say it because there's a lot of hype around Bernie right now, and there's a lot of people on here are very overly emotional and very prone to mood swings based on what I've seen. This isn't good for Sanders, but it isn't a deathknell by any stretch of the imagination either.

I don't recall seeing Clinton looking at the fact that she's dropped by massive margins in the last few months and giving up. I don't recall Clinton giving up after Sanders outperformed the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire. I don't recall seeing Clinton flipping out because the national polls continue to drop day-by-day, despite the fact that she's not expected to ever trend back in the other direction. So why should Sanders supporters just suddenly lose hope and surrender because he met the expectations of pollsters/pundits for once instead of exceeding them? From Nate Silver:

"Clinton was favored by 4 percentage points in our “polls-only” forecast of Nevada, close to what is likely to be her eventual winning margin of about 6 percentage points. Our “polls-plus” forecast, which projected Clinton to win by 6, may be slightly closer still."

Super Tuesday is 10 days away. Again, according to Nate Silver and 538, Clinton should win by +15 points in Nevada if she's up nationally as much as some polls have said (+12). She should win by +3 if they're tied nationally. Sanders definitely didn't lose by 12 points, and is still trending up nationwide.

Super Tuesday is going to be probably the single most important day in the primary. It has that combination of early momentum to set the pace for the rest of the primaries, and a huge number of states voting. Things are still going in the right direction in SC, and they're trending in the right direction nationally.

Sanders has been outspending Clinton in many places and out-organizing her due to his immense grassroots support. Clinton may be able to double down and stem the tide when she only has one favorable state to deal with every week or so, but she can continue to lose ground in Super Tuesday as she fails to match Bernie's grassroots organization and money.

If you actually care about who your nominee will be, as opposed to temporarily hopping on a bandwagon, then this is the time to put in the extra effort.
Donate. Phonebank. Canvas. I've already done the first two tonight, despite today's news, and if you're serious about this, then you should as well.
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Someone's comment cut and pasted from Reddit-Sanders (Original Post) LiberalElite Feb 2016 OP
I was in the Village tonight consoling some college supporters Depaysement Feb 2016 #1
Absolutely spot on. nt snagglepuss Feb 2016 #2
I've been calling since August and have A lot more Hope now than then, Go Bernie Go !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #3
No doubt Old Codger Feb 2016 #4
Appears Nevada's Democratic Party and not Wellstone ruled Feb 2016 #5

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
1. I was in the Village tonight consoling some college supporters
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

It's not over yet. You're fighting the Bronstone/ penthouse crowd. They play dirty and they play to win. But your passion and can overcome. Keep the faith brothers and sisters.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
4. No doubt
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

He is still in the middle of the fight and has nothing to be too worried about yet... Camp sleeze will try more crap but they will end up doing more harm to themselves in the long run

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Appears Nevada's Democratic Party and not
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary's or Bernie's Campaigns were not the culprit in today's screw ups. After 2014 and the mess they made,I was really surprised how well things did go. Mostly there was a major failure of the Party to not have adequate persons on hand to handle the large turnout. This is after all Nevada,home of the second lowest average family incomes,and many do work 2 jobs seven days a week.

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