and will do my best not to take the troll bait any more. they have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation.

just now in this thread. Can you guess who that was? Bye-bye! It's a lot fresher in here already. As long as they can keep you off topic talking crap they'll keep on piling it on.

Why am I not an HRC supporter? Not a big fan of the Clintons, after:

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NAFTA

"Don't ask; don't tell"

reforming "welfare as we know it"

the "triangulation" of ever-rightward-moving policy as a means to forge political consensus

the deregulation of Wall Street

a vote in favor of invading Iraq

pursuing trade policies that drove up drug prices around the world

the implementation of draconian sentencing laws that gave us one of the highest incarceration rates in the world

HRC claiming she came under "sniper fire" after landing in Bosnia (Film exists of smiling children handing HRC flowers.)

HRC "golden handcuffs"--paid for by the American people & Goldman Sachs

suspicious last-minute election year reversals of long-standing support for TPP & the Keystone XL pipeline

luke-warm defense of unions

luke-warm efforts to raise the minimum (WORKING CLASS!) wage

Alert away, itchy pro-HRC fingers. I'll hold my nose and vote for HRC if she wins the nomination but you know what? It will be with exactly zero enthusiasm--and the understanding that hawkish, pro-war HRC will fix NOTHING in Washington or Wall Street.

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Time for the Clintons to exit politics, methinks. Experience only counts if you LEARN from it. And HRC, it seems, has learned all the wrong, cynical, word-parsing lessons from her husband and the 1%-ers that own her . . .

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SEE ALSO:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-is-sorry_us_55a83397e4b0896514d0e220

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AND:

In dealing with Wall Street, Clinton faced the same challenge as any lawmaker representing New York, where the financial industry includes not only constituents but campaign donors. Wall Street executives were the largest donors to both her 2006 Senate re-election bid and her 2008 presidential race; employees of just eight banking firms gave $2.67 million to those campaigns, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-profit research group.

Clinton in 2007 publicly decried a tax break for hedge-fund and private-equity executives — and continues to do so in her current campaign. But she didn’t sign on as a supporter of a Senate bill that would have curbed the break.

As a senator, Clinton also had a brush with the shadow-banking world that she now describes as a continuing threat to the financial system. When AIG, the giant insurance company and poster child for lightly regulated finance, began to implode in September 2008, Clinton reached out to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who was involved in talks to rescue the firm with government funds. Her little-noticed overture came on behalf of some wealthy investors who stood to lose millions and had hired two longtime associates of the Clintons to represent them.

Brian Fallon, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, declined to comment for this story.

https://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clinton-mixed-record-on-wall-street-tough-cut-it-out-talk

I'm thinking some people don't understand the Clintons have been doing this a long time, I guess it depends where you get your info from. My wife and I marched in Seattle that year against the WTO And again both the national RNC and the DNC Conventions. We joined the Dems in Idaho in 2003 because, well, thats all thats there.

It's true!

And beyond this, Bernie is not going away. So he's won, even if he loses, he's won.

Bernie will stay in touch with his supporters. Since he really understands movement politics and is fearless he can make HRC have to account more for the disappearance of Campaign-Hillary.

He can still influence, even dominate the terms of the conversation by introducing bill after bill. The Single Payer Bill. The Student Debt Forgiveness bill. The Free Public College bill. The restore Glass Steagall bill.

And when she pushes back the comparison between them will stay sharp.

Bernie will have an inside the Senate power he's never had before. Warren can join him and the table is set for the FDR restoration of the party that's become the Rockefeller Republican party.

BTW—Go see Michael Moore's "Where To Invade Next". It's brilliant and his most important film yet. A real spark. People were staggering afterwards.

It's not a bad advertisement for democratic socialism either. I was waiting for the "I'm Bernie Sanders and I approve this message".

The timing is fantastic. We have to spread the word about it in any way we can.

They relish taunting, aggravating, and insulting those of us that hold a vision of the Democratic Party returning to its unabashed, FDR-style roots.

And, they much prefer a Republican in the White House over a FDR-style Democrat that would begin reforming the Democratic Party.

They'll blame the left if Clinton loses to Trump, and they will do so with much enthusiasm and ultimately a hell of a lot of satisfaction.

Some of them dislike us more than they dislike Republicans.

Far too many.

for nominating such a flawed candidate despite all warnings.

deserve what's coming. Unfortunately, the rest of us will suffer too.