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Nyan

(1,192 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:38 AM Feb 2016

Bernie and African American voters.

Yes. He has the best policy platform for African Americans. He has the best policy platform for Americans, period.
Yes. He has the best civil rights record among all white congress members. He's been there from day one when it comes to racial justice.
He is more likely to be proactive in pursuing criminal justice reform because he's not beholden to private prison industry, unlike his opponent. He's credible when he says he'll do his best to combat institutional racism.
And he's a secular humanist Jew from rural state of Vermont with significantly lower name recognition.


He will get votes from some African Americans. Perhaps not as many votes as we hope he would get. But I don't buy into the notion that African American voters should all vote alike. They decide the way they vote, and I don't have problem with that. And Bernie doesn't have problem with that.


This is how I feel about Bernie's approach to African American voters.


I'm proud that he has so adamantly abstained from pandering and exploiting tragedies.
I'm proud that he's met and consoled Sandra Bland's mother and didn't ask for endorsement, interview, or a photo-op. "We are broken, and this exposed us" -His raw words brought tears to my eyes.
I'm proud that while meeting the families from Flint, Michigan, he's shut press out of the room. While speaking in his Michigan rally after the meeting, he's made sure to his supporters that he doesn't wanna politicize the crisis in his favor. And I appreciated that.
I'm proud that he's the only presidential candidate who bothered to show up where Freddie Gray has died of broken spine.
I'm glad that Bernie and his campaign didn't ask grief-stricken family members of police brutality victims to come out and campaign for him. I'm glad that Bernie campaign has taken care to let Erica Garner's voice heard in the way that she wanted to be heard.
I'm glad that my candidate doesn't view African Americans as a useful voting bloc. I'm glad that he didn't alter his views of President Obama's legacy out of cynical calculation, while his opponent is using President Obama to justify her Wall Street ties.


His campaign will have to work harder on this particular matter, for sure. But overall, I'm proud of his honorable tactics. And I hope he doesn't trade his principles for power (and I don't think he will).
Whatever happens with this primary -whether he wins or not-, I know he'll continue to do everything he can to better the lives of Americans of all colors. And that matters to me.

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Bernie and African American voters. (Original Post) Nyan Feb 2016 OP
Amen. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #1
perhaps the ties in SC are longstanding and roguevalley Feb 2016 #11
i think too, that we need to get over this 100% demographic hunger nashville_brook Feb 2016 #17
Honorable. Won't trade principles for power. Rebkeh Feb 2016 #2
Great Heartfelt post noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #3
Great comment. The best is yet to come. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #4
5, almost 6 points. That was an early projection. Also, they're tied at 51 delegates apiece. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #12
It's all right there. Now it's up to us to carry the message in a convincing manner. If Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #5
I have to point fingers to the media. All that Bernie has done goes unsaid by the media. jillan Feb 2016 #6
Strategies need improvement, I agree. nt Nyan Feb 2016 #7
New York Times seems to be out for him shireen Feb 2016 #13
I'm also glad he doesn't treat PoC like a giant homogeneous slab of asbestos. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #8
It's looking bad in the near future. bernbabe Feb 2016 #9
I want Bernie to win. Nyan Feb 2016 #10
Well, lets take a closer look when we go to Philadelphia mikehiggins Feb 2016 #15
Once he gets past Super Tuesday the political landscape becomes LiberalElite Feb 2016 #16
Thank you for that. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #14
Amen farleftlib Feb 2016 #18
Well looks like we might be getting some help in this area. jillan Feb 2016 #19
Yes, good news bernbabe Feb 2016 #20
RNC: Clintons 'only with you when they need you' bernbabe Feb 2016 #21
Team Hill is doing an excellent job for us Hydra Feb 2016 #22

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
11. perhaps the ties in SC are longstanding and
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:42 AM
Feb 2016

strong but there are many communities all over this country that won't be the same. Bernie has been all over the south and caught flack for it because he believes everyone has value and is worth speaking to. AA's I doubt are anymore monolithic than any other group. Each area has its problems and needs. They will vote them. Bernie will pick up speed and people when they hear him. I have faith in America to do well.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
17. i think too, that we need to get over this 100% demographic hunger
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:03 AM
Feb 2016

Obama turned up the AA demos dramatically in 2008 -- as would be expected. that was a historic candidacy. to go forward and continue to expect 90+% AA participation (at 13% share of the total D vote) for any Democratic Prez candidate is ludicrous. those numbers have to be made up elsewhere.

personally, i think we've been addressing demographics all wrong and Sanders is finally doing it right. stop with the pandering and the identity politics and the last minute stops at Black churches (and the embarrassing vocal inflections). instead, why not have a meaningful platform that addresses everyone's needs?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
3. Great Heartfelt post
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:47 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you so much for this wonderful post.

I know he'll continue to do everything he can to better the lives of Americans of all colors. And that matters to me.


It matters to me too.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
4. Great comment. The best is yet to come.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

Keep in mind that Hillary won in Nevada in 2008, and yet Obama became the President.
Hillary had a 12 point lead last Saturday, yet she only won in Nevada by 4 points.

It's also true that Bernie has almost as many delegates as Hillary has at this point in time.
So, for anyone to start claiming that Bernie doesn't have momentum is false.
"He wasn't supposed to get this far" was what someone else said, and I believe they are absolutely correct about that.

The establishment didn't see him coming, and now they are shaking in their boots.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
12. 5, almost 6 points. That was an early projection. Also, they're tied at 51 delegates apiece.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:52 AM
Feb 2016

Still a good showing considering the machine we were up against. I'll take it.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
5. It's all right there. Now it's up to us to carry the message in a convincing manner. If
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie's message isn't hitting home, I think it isn't a problem with the message, but rather a problem with communicating that message.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. I have to point fingers to the media. All that Bernie has done goes unsaid by the media.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:42 AM
Feb 2016

Instead we get stories that it wasn't really him at those protests in Chicago.

Yet the other candidate gets a pass. We remember the Clinton years. We remember the 2008 campaign.

It's selective amnesia mixed with a little bit of selective silence.

Added to add - Bernie needs to change his message to communicate his accomplishments, his fights & his vision to fight back against the corporate media - and the corporate candidate.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
13. New York Times seems to be out for him
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

The articles I've seen in the last few days have been quite harsh.

bernbabe

(370 posts)
9. It's looking bad in the near future.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:02 AM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, SEC Tuesday is not looking good. I don't see a big change coming for AA support for Clinton in the time remaining.

% African-American population:
(2010 Census)

Georgia 31.4%
Alabama 26.38%
Virginia 19.91%
Tennessee 16.78%
Arkansas 15.76%
Texas 11.91%
Massachusetts 8.1%
Oklahoma 7.96%
Minnesota 4.57%
Colorado 4.28%
Vermont 0.87%

The first five seem to heavily favor Clinton, and Texas has a large hispanic population, which seems to be an unknown at this point.

Don't mean to be a downer, but practically speaking, what is the path to victory here?

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
10. I want Bernie to win.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:22 AM
Feb 2016

But I doubt he's gonna change who he is for the sake of winning. Pandering doesn't suit him.
He hasn't changed for over 30 years since he first took public office. Why would he change now?
I think that's the thing about Bernie. People respect him because he says what he means, and means what he says. But also, nobody's gonna get him to say what he doesn't mean.

I'm all for the improvement in strategies, as long as he sticks to "serious approach" with "serious issues."
And I'm pretty sure he's within the margin of error in Virginia and other states. But yeah, hopefully he will do better among AA voters in those states.

Welcome to DU!

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
15. Well, lets take a closer look when we go to Philadelphia
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:42 AM
Feb 2016

Ultimately a movement doesn't run aground on difficulties. It usually comes into existence because of difficulties. Those of us who can remember the months since Sanders announced may seem naively optimistic but look at where we are. With virtually no media coverage and repeated attacks from all sides the campaign is tied with ELECTED delegates and actually won a contest. This when the campaign got no support from anyone but progressives and rank-and-file voters.

So we're tied and, of course, the pollsters (and the HRC campaign) all proclaim that a monolithic bloc of AA voters is going to march to the ballot boxes in favor of Hillary. That may be so but as the President showed eight years ago, you can lose lots and still win.

Sanders' campaign has a widespread base of volunteers and an almost endless supply of voter donations. We will be at Philadelphia no matter what.

See you then

Nihao Ma!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
16. Once he gets past Super Tuesday the political landscape becomes
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:48 AM
Feb 2016

more favorable to him. Yes, this will be a LONG HAUL.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
18. Amen
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016

In GD-P they really catapult the propaganda against Bernie's civil rights record. Nobody said he's spent his life focused entirely on that one issue but neither has anybody else, not even close. The small group of haters makes it impossible to even defend his record, which needs none IMHO, without being accused of pandering or Berniesplaining. They really want to push this false narrative about him and I am sick of it.

Thanks for a truthful and well-thought-out post on this unnecessarily divisive topic. Good job.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
19. Well looks like we might be getting some help in this area.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

And I'll take it. Heard it on the news.

The RNC is going to be airing ads in SC showing Hillary & Bill's comments about then Senator Obama during the 2008 race including an interview she had with Tim Russert. Ya remember Tim, the host of MTP that actually held people accountable for their words (unlike say anything you want to Chuck & he won't care).

Since Bernie and his campaign won't go there, I actually find this as good news.
It might help me from becoming bald from scratching my head on why the AA community supports that woman.

bernbabe

(370 posts)
20. Yes, good news
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

Apparently the RNC still thinks Bernie would be easier to beat, despite the polls, and logic. I'll take it. I don't think Bernie can come close in SC but I hope he can get the margin under 20.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
22. Team Hill is doing an excellent job for us
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

The kinds of nasty condescension and taking the AA community for granted can't be going over well with the voters who are paying attention.

We can't do anything about the ones who aren't- one of my relatives endlessly talks about how great Hillary looks and how comfortable she'll be dealing with world leaders. When I ask if she supports the Wall St and Bush Family connections and related policies, she thinks I'm lying. She had absolutely no idea who she is voting for.

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