Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Donkees

(31,416 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:24 AM Feb 2016

THE BIG LIE: Hillary the Pragmatist vs Bernie the Dreamer

The Sanders revolution is not going to be televised and it is not going to be reported in the rest of the mass media either. The revolution is against plutocracy and the plutocracy owns the mass media. Anyone still getting their information from the mass media is missing out on the history being made in an historical political year that rivals any of the past two generations.

Yet patriots should still be prepared to answer plutocratic propaganda that issues from the mass media to pollute the information environment. A month ago its propaganda was that Bernie Sanders was losing, when upon closer analysis of the facts he was clearly winning. This month’s propaganda is that Hillary Clinton is experienced and pragmatic whereas Bernie Sanders is an inexperienced dreamer who will sacrifice the achievable prosaic reform by reaching for impossibly poetic ideals.


It must be said very clearly that this is a complete and total lie, deploying “the big lie” technique of propagandists. It must be called out as such. The most consistent message from Sanders is what he said when he first started exploring a presidential bid and has continued to say down to the last debate when he clearly defined the central issue of the 2016 campaign: “Very little is going to be done to transform our economy and to create the kind of middle class we need unless we end a corrupt campaign finance system which is undermining American democracy.”

If Sanders does not overcome the plutocracy and restore American democracy he is quite clear that “very little” is going to get done by him as president. That is not the talk of an unrealistic dreamer, but of a very honest, clear-eyed, practical politician who knows exactly what the score is.



When applied specifically for reform of the systemically corrupt system which is American politics, the incremental kind of reform that Clinton proposes is actually counterproductive. It makes the system even more corrupt. It takes systemic reform to overcome systemic corruption. Since systemic reform must start from the top, the precise approach to reform of political corruption by the presidential candidates, whether counterproductively incremental or effectively systemic, is key to the future of American democracy. We have had 40 years of diversionary and piecemeal reform proposals as the systemic corruption only grew worse.


Though plutocracy is by far the most important issue, Sanders is not running a one issue campaign. While totally leveling with the people about the limited possibilities for the policy reforms he advocates if the current systemic corruption is not outlawed, he is also informing people about the reforms that he will pursue if democracy is restored.

Sanders is very appropriately campaigning on these other policy issues because they could all be done relatively easily, indeed would already have been done, if the United States were a democracy. A democracy is where majorities get the policies they want that are not inconsistent with democracy itself. Policies like single-payer health care, free state college tuition, and virtually all other of Sanders’ “middle class” economic reforms have majority backing. In a democracy it is not an impractical dream to think that the majority would be able to enact the policies that they want.



Only in a plutocracy is policy that serves the majority a mere impractical dream.
By framing his campaign around a platform of majoritarian policy reforms, Sanders is presenting a far clearer picture of what the country would look like under his presidency if he succeeds in his priority task of overthrowing the plutocracy. This provides a richer and truer explanation of the importance of this single decisive issue than if he had run a single issue campaign, as professor Larry Lessig advised.



The choice is then quite clear. Hillary Clinton and her mass media backers criticizing Sanders as an impractical idealist are clearly assuming that the plutocracy will continue on her watch, as it certainly would. In her plutocracy, as in Obama’s plutocracy, none of Sanders’ policies would be anything but an unattainable ideal, as he himself has consistently indicated. Sanders is focused on, and promises to achieve with the continued support of the people, the overthrow of “the billionaire class” plutocracy. Then adopting what are, in Clinton’s world, “impractical” reforms would actually become a matter of ordinary democratic politics.

The Democratic primary election presents a very easy choice that has nothing to do with pragmatism, dreaming, or more or less experience running the corrupt American system of politics. These are products of propagandists designed to change the subject. The real choice is between someone who is planning on the restoration of democracy and someone who is planning for the perpetuation of plutocracy.


Rob Hager is a public interest litigator who filed an amicus brief in the Montana sequel to Citizens United and has worked as an international consultant on anti-corruption policy and legislation.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/02/the-big-lie-hillary-the-pragmatist-vs-bernie-the-dreamer/

13 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
THE BIG LIE: Hillary the Pragmatist vs Bernie the Dreamer (Original Post) Donkees Feb 2016 OP
K&R Thank for posting Mbrow Feb 2016 #1
I still don't see where they get 'experienced' for Hillary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
Agreed, and to go one further, Rebkeh Feb 2016 #5
I never understood why NY elected her Senator TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #13
Spot on Rebkeh Feb 2016 #3
She is vastly more qualified to bomb villages for the MIC. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #4
We cannot ignore the fact that we are currently experiencing a politically polarized country. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #6
More than that... freebrew Feb 2016 #10
Same here, never have I seen this country so divided on the issues you mention. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #12
KnR SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #7
Excellent. concreteblue Feb 2016 #8
K&R EndElectoral Feb 2016 #9
K&R. I just saw video of Bernie with a couple reporters countering appalachiablue Feb 2016 #11

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. I still don't see where they get 'experienced' for Hillary.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:18 AM
Feb 2016

One term Senator, one term SoS. She's been a legislator for a bit, a bureaucrat for a bit.

Sure, that makes her more experienced than Barack Obama, but it's a hell of a lot less experience than Bernie's as a Mayor, a Representative, and a Senator.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
5. Agreed, and to go one further,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

Experience and pragmatism are useless without integrity and honesty.

But the bottom line is this is about giving the people a place at the table after the GE, even if we bring nothing to it.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,196 posts)
13. I never understood why NY elected her Senator
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

Because she was FLOTUS? How does that qualify someone to hold statewide office? Not to mention she and Bill were carpetbaggers.

As for SOS, I always thought Obama was just throwing her a bone.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
4. She is vastly more qualified to bomb villages for the MIC.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

The biggest money maker in the US is our defense industry and legions of shareholders, with each investment, clamor for their usage.

If they get their wishes, I fear for the children of foreign countries. They will again be left to the waves of indifference.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. We cannot ignore the fact that we are currently experiencing a politically polarized country.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

To affect the changes necessary to create a revolution, there must exist mass appeal across the political spectrum. Let's take Medicare for all as an example. The Republican base has been cheering on their representative's efforts to repeal the ACA 62 times. An ACA mind you that doesn't come close to the level of government intervention that Medicare for all does. Add to that the despicable yet successful way that the Republicans have gerrymandered their states in an effort to disenfranchise our representation in the House. I see absolutely ZERO chance that the Republican base will pressure their representatives to embrace Medicare for all and legislate health insurance companies out of existence in the process. That's what we mean by Hillary's pragmatism versus Bernie's dreams.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
10. More than that...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

I can't remember a time when this nation was more divided.(I wasn't here in 1860s)

Economically divided, racially divided, spiritually divided, politically, ideologically, you name it.
Gender, Guns, Cops.

And that's just the Democratic Party...

I saw the Peace Movement tumble when those at the table refused to grant equality to women and African-Americans.

Easy to predict. Somebody wrote it on the wall(J. Edgar Hoover).

I sincerely hope some of these groups can get together, for everyone's benefit.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
12. Same here, never have I seen this country so divided on the issues you mention.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

When I bring this up mildly with some people they just don't believe it and/or don't want to hear it or know it. And they're not well off either, just not tuned in to the real state of affairs only found online and through independent media.
It's work, family, chores and some leisure/entertainment (sports, reading sci fi and Poe maybe) consuming all their time and energy, which is just fine with the status quo and establishment.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
11. K&R. I just saw video of Bernie with a couple reporters countering
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

the single issue 'one note' claim succinctly stating the specific policies and areas needing change that he advocates. It was clear and effortless.

The nauseating spin that Bernie is inexperienced, not practical, not presidential, a dreamer with 'pie in the sky' ideas is so stale, esp. since I read posts that the same things were said about Obama in 2008. Also how Delores Huerta remarked in that campaign that Obama didn't have good judgement or work with Latinos as she and Gutierrez have done this season.

The clichés, soundbites and attacks by leading surrogates against the opponent are recycled each election it appears and not enough people realize it unless they are very well informed.

Yesterday it was rather disappointing to see a person post here about deciding to go with Hillary now, because Bernie's agenda was 'pie in the sky'. Nothing is really new as they say.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Bernie Sanders»THE BIG LIE: Hillary the...