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MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:34 PM Feb 2016

I need some input here (Bernie group)

Since Nevada, I have heard pundits proclaim that HRH has the nomination all but locked up. The Huffington Post had "Berned Out" on its front page today, and cable news said there's no way Bernie can "turn it around". All the while, they think the Republican nomination is still in play.

Wait a minute. In the Democratic race, there was a virtual tie in Iowa, a landslide win by Bernie in NH, and a squeaker by Hillary in Nevada, a state that was supposed to be her firewall and a state in which she led by double digits just two weeks ago, clearly showing her numbers are eroding.

Aside from Iowa, which Trump lost to Cruz (although that's still being disputed) Trump has won by large margins, but the Republican nomination is still, according to the media, very much in play.

Seriously, how do the talking heads come up with this? It defies explanation, unless I'm missing something.

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I need some input here (Bernie group) (Original Post) MissDeeds Feb 2016 OP
Follow the money. Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #1
That's right MissDeeds Feb 2016 #9
The clown nails it again... pangaia Feb 2016 #26
The big lie? Cleita Feb 2016 #2
yep MissDeeds Feb 2016 #7
They are paid by Hilliary supporters and don't want to loose their jobs. Awknid Feb 2016 #3
Thanks for the input MissDeeds Feb 2016 #5
The propaganda megaphone just doing their job.... PoiBoy Feb 2016 #4
Good advice MissDeeds Feb 2016 #6
And be prepared for a very tense convention Kittycat Feb 2016 #8
My husband and I have been talking about that very thing MissDeeds Feb 2016 #10
Guaranteed especially if Senator Sanders keeps piling up the votes. sarge43 Feb 2016 #16
Bernie is leading with the popular vote,they are lying. wendylaroux Feb 2016 #11
They are trying to control public perception Rebkeh Feb 2016 #12
Good to know MissDeeds Feb 2016 #13
Bernie isn't going anywhere. He's going to the CONVENTION, whether they like it or not. Here's a in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #14
Damn, Every time I get a little depressed, pangaia Feb 2016 #28
LOL! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #33
Keep telling me. Keep telling me.. pangaia Feb 2016 #37
Thanks for all the reassuring input MissDeeds Feb 2016 #15
Miss D, you can never go wrong with asking sarge43 Feb 2016 #19
Good point Sarge MissDeeds Feb 2016 #30
And remember the best advice.. TURN OFF THE TV.. pangaia Feb 2016 #29
Bernie might be leading in three states behind in 8 by double digits for Mar 1 Jarqui Feb 2016 #17
Got links for your poll numbers? Thanks! (eom) mak3cats Feb 2016 #21
Most are RealClear Jarqui Feb 2016 #22
Same old, same old. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #18
I think a big part is wanting to be "first" TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #20
They each have 51 delegates - TBF Feb 2016 #23
They are spinning this really hard like saying Hillary had a solid lead in Nevada Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #24
I'm hoping this will backfire MissDeeds Feb 2016 #25
Yeah that's the other thing. sarge43 Feb 2016 #34
Aas Binkie says Kaching!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Feb 2016 #27
Go back to before the primaries SmittynMo Feb 2016 #31
Further, when he is in an honest election like NH instead sarge43 Feb 2016 #32
They want her to win dana_b Feb 2016 #35
Just take what they say with a YUUUGE grain of salt nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #36
A Yuuuuuge grain of salt indeed..... Duckfan Feb 2016 #38

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
1. Follow the money.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

Big corporations, including the media conglomerates, are backing Hilary for obvious reasons; she does their bidding.

Awknid

(381 posts)
3. They are paid by Hilliary supporters and don't want to loose their jobs.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

I know it's frustrating, but you have to keep that in mind.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
5. Thanks for the input
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

I was absolutely incredulous! The double standard is appalling. They are trying to select our candidate. I remember in 2008 when they kept shoving Hillary and Rudy down our throats as the inevitable ones.

Looks like the media truly is bought and paid for.

PoiBoy

(1,542 posts)
4. The propaganda megaphone just doing their job....
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

...and if Hillary becomes the nominee the "media" will just crank up the volume....

They see the self inflicted cracks in Democratic unity, and are taking full advantage...

Turn off your TV....













Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
8. And be prepared for a very tense convention
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

I'm hoping it doesn't reach 1968 levels, but I wouldn't be surprised at the way it's being controlled right now.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
10. My husband and I have been talking about that very thing
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has such a strong following and enthusiastic supporters, all hell might break out if they try to pull some shenanigans at the convention - or before.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
16. Guaranteed especially if Senator Sanders keeps piling up the votes.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

May you live in interesting times.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
11. Bernie is leading with the popular vote,they are lying.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

these rich people don't want higher taxes.No matter how many people
they could help.
They make me

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
12. They are trying to control public perception
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

So then they can control the narrative. So then they can get the nominee that meets their agenda, whatever it may be.

You're not missing anything, quite the opposite.

Edited to add: It's all an illusion, truth is Bernie would win handily if they covered his record and the actual issues.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
14. Bernie isn't going anywhere. He's going to the CONVENTION, whether they like it or not. Here's a
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

a thought -

Clinton needs Bernie OUT so she doesn't have to spend money she doesn't have! She's had to bring in her big guns - dirty money Super Pac because she's not getting enough money from her peon supporters. Her millionaire/billionaire donors aren't going to keep her Super Pac afloat forever and Bernie can access funds - millions - in a few hours from his supporters.

SHE'S BROKE and has been since Iowa. She's having to blow her GE SUPER PAC funds on the Primary. They never planned on Bernie staying in very long, but he's not going anywhere! They need to get him out so she has $$$$$$ for the GE. TOO BAD.

BERNIE is going to be the nominee!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. Damn, Every time I get a little depressed,
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:12 PM
Feb 2016

you come up with a dose of Zoloft.

Or is it just reality?

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
33. LOL!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

I think that's what's going! She's broke and isn't doing well enough for her billionaire sugar daddies to keep filling her coffers. AND....it's only February and we've had only 2 caucuses and 1 primary!

When she starts floating herself loans we'll know how bad it really is.

Bernie raised more money than her in January and as it stands now, he's raised more than her in February too!

PEOPLE POWER! She cannot beat us. We won't let her.



PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
19. Miss D, you can never go wrong with asking
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)

who benefits and why. Follow that path and it will seldom lead you astray. Especially with Clinton.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. And remember the best advice.. TURN OFF THE TV..
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

Even better. Never, EVER turn ON the TV. It is useless..

Except for baseball.


Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
17. Bernie might be leading in three states behind in 8 by double digits for Mar 1
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016
Sanders Ahead
15 Vermont +76
64 Colorado +6? (iffy poll)
95 Massachusetts +3.5
================
174

Sanders Behind
38 Oklahoma -14.4
95 Virginia -17
68 Tennessee -23
52 Alabama -28
208 Texas -28
32 Arkansas -28.5
78 Minnesota -34
98 Georgia -37.5
===============
669

He has a week to change the above numbers

In Iowa, with a week to go, he was behind by 0.6 and they effectively tied
In New Hampshire, with a week to go, he was +18.1 and it finished +22.4

Normally, if there's been steady, good polling, without some significant event, it's unusual to see the polls move more than 6 points in a week. And that's if the candidate is campaigning there. Double that and hope to move the yardsticks 12 pts in all those states .... and in states he's behind in, he still loses all of them.

All he can hope to do is pick up as many delegates as he can.

I strongly suspect she's going to kick the crap out of him on Super Tuesday. He needed to win Nevada to have a chance.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. Same old, same old.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

They're pushing the reality they want, rather than the reality that actually exists.

For decades, that actually worked for them. Now it just alienates more and more people, sending them AWAY from the corporate-class media.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
20. I think a big part is wanting to be "first"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

All journalists want to be the one to break the big story, sometimes so much that they write the story before all the facts are in. It's no surprise to me that the MSM wants to declare Hillary the winner and go out for a beer. Heaven forbid they should have to WORK and continue to cover both campaigns.

It's also possible they're counting on greater access to Queen Hillary if they crown her early.

But so far Bernie and Hillary have 51 delegates each. On Super Tuesday there will be 1004 delegates up for grabs. Considering HRC's lukewarm wins in Iowa and Nevada, and that South Carolina's 59 delegates will be split in some proportion, saying she's she's a sure winner before Super Tuesday is just stupid. Even after Super Tuesday, no one will have the 2383 delegates to secure the nomination, even if HRC had every one of the 712 superdelegates. Bernie said he's staying in the race until the convention, and rightly so.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
23. They each have 51 delegates -
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

they are trying to depress turn out for South Carolina and Super Tuesday.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
24. They are spinning this really hard like saying Hillary had a solid lead in Nevada
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

If Bernie had won by this margin they would say he had scraped through and would still be saying that he has no chance. The MSM are basically poking a large hornets nest because the more they do the more fired up we become.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
25. I'm hoping this will backfire
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

I saw the clip here the other day of a crowd in SC marching and carrying Bernie signs, chanting "Bernie's got a vote from me", and the huge crowds that show up for him.

The enthusiasm is certainly on his side. I just don't know how Hillary can pull it off considering the baggage, FBI investigation, pattern of lying and issues of not being trustworthy.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
34. Yeah that's the other thing.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:33 PM
Feb 2016

Are there any clips of Clinton drawing crowds like Senator Sanders? All I've seen are tight small groups in very controlled environments.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. Aas Binkie says Kaching!!!!!!!!!!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:08 PM
Feb 2016

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SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
31. Go back to before the primaries
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

Remember it? No coverage, no chance, no way!!! I expected it continue, and it has for the most part. Yes, he is getting more coverage, but no one is talking about how well he's doing. He's damn near tied in delegates. Personally, I'd say that's pretty good, considering the corruptness and the establishment obstruction.

Hey, the revolution had to start somewhere. It started with the primaries and I expect to get better, state by state. The next two to three weeks will tell it all. I hope there is enough of us that are sick and tired of establishment politics and corruption to turn this bus around.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
32. Further, when he is in an honest election like NH instead
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

of caucus clusterf..ks, he takes names and kicks it. Like the great man said, you can fool some of people ... We the People are tried of being fooled.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
35. They want her to win
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

as others have said, follow the money. They WANT us to get discouraged and give up. Don't believe them!!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
36. Just take what they say with a YUUUGE grain of salt nt
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

Or do what I do, watch tbe political news with the sound off - and I don't look at the screen much either.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
38. A Yuuuuuge grain of salt indeed.....
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:48 AM
Feb 2016

But people need to remind the Huffington Post of who their audience is and not write stuff that was just pulled out of their rear end. If they hear from enough of us they may get a clue.

"To be persuasive, we must be believable; to be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful."
-Edward R. Murrow



I also am a graduate of communications school that bears his name. Damn proud of it too.

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