And we would be told that is buy-partisanship at its finest.

Obama pushed chained CPI pretty hard for quite a while. Hillary will make similar deals with the right in order to "get things done".

they would work with her if she turns a hard Right and does as she's told.

Which, I'm terribly afraid she will, if elected.

But, in any case, Bernie needs to stay in, even if he doesn't win so we can HAVE the conversation.

I just don't get why Hillary people are so angry that the questions are being asked.

It's embarrassing to have to admit the person you idolize is actually just another corrupt politician. So you fight tooth and nail to cover it up.

She's the role model for corrupt politicians. The patron saint. Best since Tricky Dick. The Clintons have taken corruption to a stage previously unknown in American politics.

So to speak...

The only thing missing here are the gold teeth.

50% just want a woman.

This may be the most important thing Sanders has done: Change the narrative.

The GOP has been in charge of the narrative for a long time...even throughout Obama's terms.

It's so great that enough people have come over to Sanders side to over-run the media darlings so they have to cover him and people hear and see him.

Clinton could never have done such a thing alone. She's riding on name recognition. The media could go on for months and never cover a word she said, but just cover all the baggage from the past.

progressive to a point on some issues, but they are not liberal. Also many that are just blinded by the woman in the White House thing.

A lot are older and retired, or reasonable well off and secure or they are close to it. At least seeing a fairly secure retirement ahead. They have theirs and aren't willing to take any risks.

They will be the first to go with something like Paul Ryan's Medicare voucher plan. It was 55 that he had the cutoff at wasn't it? As long as they are grandfathered in, screw everyone else!

those in poverty. I think some think that the super wealthy like the Clintons are destine by God to take care of us ignorant peons.

Yes, amazing how that works.

...Bipartisanship to drag us into more unnecessary wars. Bipartisanship to outsource our jobs overseas via un-American trade agreements. Bipartisanship to make Lloyd Blankfein and his bank buddies even wealthier than they already are at the expense of everyone else.

or did you mean to make a statement about who buys Congress?

Most of Congress, IMO, has been "bought" because of our corrupt elections system.

I don't know how much he will deviate from his core principles.

are what most people want or close to it.

actual human people and responds, not with "this is how it will be" but with examples of how his ideas will bring about the things that they are talking about or with slight course changes to include more people without watering down his core message.

Soooooooooooo 2008! Billionaires, you can't have it all but that's only because you already have it and Sec Clinton will ensure you keep it.

but I have no desire to be eviscerated by people whose anger at the victory march/coronation not happening overrides their understanding that there is a primary process.

Maybe at a better time, when the pendulum swings back.

We tell them my voting for whomever fits our model best.
The fact that Bernie is asking is a start.

not possible and now she is hitting us over the head with her wisdom, which I personally reject.

Her fingers are all over the wars in Iraq and Libya, which makes her an absolute NO as far as I am concerned.

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My husband,family and friends all Dems supporting Bernie say we have to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. My arguments aren't convincing enough and I' m being accused of basically electing Trump! What the hell? I'm hoping people get their heads out of their a**** and go vote for Bernie.Because if it's not Bernie it's the same old same old.Definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result.

characteristics while remaining a strong leader with conviction and determination.

Did you see how he manhandled Friedman in Congress?

Elect a leader who has lived his life by the Golden Rule
Or any of the others who believes that gold rules

Elect a leader who believes that our founding fathers established a nation on the principle of We the people sharing a goal of promoting general Welfare for all.

Or any of the others who believe that our nation was established to promote warfare

"Welfare vs. Warfare, Golden Rule vs. gold rules."

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which doesn't get enough attention.

Why start at $15/hr in the minimum wage fight when you can, instead, start negotiating at $12/hr? Which position do you think would be more in line with what corporate interests would allow?

Why expand ACA to include Universal Single Payer for all Americans as a right, when you can instead tweak the system but still allow plenty of room for the for-profit insurance middleman in the mix? Which position do you think would be more in line with what corporate interests would allow?

Why vote for a candidate who espouses diplomacy when you can instead opt for one that is all about regime change and war as the vehicle for progress? Which position do you think would be more in line with what corporate interests would allow?

Why vote for a candidate that wants to put a college education in the grasp of every American with the wherewithal to attend when there is a danger that in doing so you might also end up paying for Trumps kids to go to the community college of their choice? Forget the greater good because, well, Trumps kids. Which position do you think would be more in line with what corporate interests would allow?

There's more but why bother right? Because it's ALWAYS all really about which position is in line with what corporate interests would allow.

against free public college is particularly disingenuous. She wants to deny every deserving student in the US an opportunity to attend college tuition free on the off chance that a millionaire might send his kid to Cal Fucking State. Chelsea went to Stanford, one of the most elite private schools in the country. That's the type of university wealthy kids attend. But if a few millionaires' kids end up at a state school and don't have to pay, is that really any reason at all to deny the masses? Ridiculous. I wish Bernie would excoriate her on that one because she richly deserves it.

then his/her kid is entitled to the free state college too.

...a valued contributor to society. ANY KID! Sending kids to college is an investment in society, and enriches all of our lives.

It's time to stop using education as an inticement or the lack of education as a punishment. And most important: it's time for our government and agents acting with the blessing of our government TO STOP MAKING A PROFIT OFF OF EDUCATION. NO MORE OUTRAGEOUS STUDENT LOANS!

It's time to END ALL FORMS OF DEBT SERVITUDE, ESPECIALLY EDUCATION DEBT SERVITUDE!

"what corporate interests would allow" is the same as what "legislators who are bought by corporate interests" would allow. And that includes Hillary as Corporatist in Chief.

He's a smart guy and, in my opinion (biased though it might be), the best one around. Of course, after 26 years of marriage, I'd better think that, right?

they are willing to give us.

People are sheep. They think, if they kiss enough ass, they'll get a piece of the pie.
I refuse to grovel any longer.

Amen and Amen


The three Amen's were in agreement with all three of your points.

I am very comfortable with you and would love to
have your children in the house with my children (grand children)

B-b-but we want to see a woman president....


or something....

Bernie talks to us, Hillary talks AT us.

is ourselves.

nailed it.

K&R

Is it GMTA, osmosis, or sharing?

I hope to see the Bernie campaign pick it up.

the husband and I were talking on our way home from Madison (saw the Stephanie Miller show there) and this just came up.

No...More...Clintons.

Thats a quote from Frank Zappa*, but its true.

Hillary knows better than anybody because their scheme was cooked up during the Clinton Administration.

Are you familiar with the literary construct of "selling your soul to the devil" forever for some pleasure in this life?

Basically, trade deals like GATS - starting in 1995, tried to irreversibly give away our rights to public services, and also our ability to change things in the future, or at least GATS tried to, but the US wasnt able to deliver to countries on the other side of the bargain, jobs until now. So several sets of talks, the DohA development Agenda, collapsed. To make it politically deniable Crises had to be created in health care, education, IT services, etc, to put the necessary millions of jobs on the services table through the magic of the WTO government procurement agreement.

http://www.ictsd.org/downloads/2008/06/cassim_steuart_part3.pdf

Does that make any sense to you? Do you know anything about the Trade in Services Agreement?

"Sure, other countries have all these things. But that's why we focused all our energy on you poor, easily manipulated suckers!"

GWB said that and people jumped on it but how is what Clinton is doing now significantly different?

And the media is doing all they can to help stomp down the hope. It is like they are afraid that if that genie gets out of the bottle they won't be able to get it back in.