don't resort to right-wing rhetoric to make your point.

I do think Bernie is a fighter, but we don't need comments from the likes of Peggy Noonan.

...given your opinion and left off her quote.

I stated my reasoning and am not required to obtain your permission for what I write or think. Get over it, or carry on with this all day if you choose since it seems to be a fixation for you.

Your powers of observation, however, are incredible... yes... I mentioned Peggy Noonan... that was my subject! What was I going to talk about regarding your post.... the weather??? It does appear you mentioned her first, so it's fair game.

I merely pointed out that some supporters will use any source, even one of questionable opinion and intent, to make their candidate look better.

I will add this.... the debate skills on this board suck... the second someone, almost anyone, gets challenged they immediately resort into turning their comments into condescending attacks leaving no doubt whose feathers are really ruffled.

Then why did you comment?

I was not commenting on the poster's opinion, I was commenting on the fact that including Peggy Noonan's comment added nothing to the post. She is not a reliable person to be used when criticizing one Democratic candidate over another.

Besides, I have every right to comment. Unlike others, I try not to be argumentative, but around here, if you disagree wth someone, it's automatic.

You have become pretty argumentative in nothing flat. And you are getting personal.

The debate skills you find lacking in others don't seem to be a strong point here.

Let's back off that stuff and discuss issues, which is what I believe you came to do

not off the mark, either.

Peggy Noonan is no friend of any Democrat and she is wrong, in my opinion, regarding her characterization of Hillary's speech. I suspect if she had made derogatory comments about Bernie, his supporters would be lambasting her. This is not a person whose opinion should matter to us in any way and to used her criticism of Hillary to support an opposing candidate is disingenuous.

I'm of firm belief that Noonan's opinions are opposite the truth in any context.

not in mine.

I haven't made my mind up yet regarding a candidate... leaning toward O'Malley. I will say however, the sniping going on between the supporters of the other two candidates is ridiculous. I happen to like Bernie very much, been a fan for years, but the attitude exhibited from his supporters when someone expresses an opposing view is not helping him.

Is a given.

Do I need a formal Disclaimer to make it clear for you?

"Posts written by Peacebird are her own opinion, which may differ from yours. Peacebird does not really care if your opinion is different, as she is posting her own"

Better?

... I simply reiterated that I didn't agree... oh my....

Or are you clueless about that too?

... not certain who is clueless here though..... certainly not me....

I have never insulted Bernie Sanders, his candidacy, or his supporters... just the use of Repub pundit to take a swipe at Hillary. You can take all the swipes at any candidate you choose. Just don't hide behind a Republican pundit to make them.

So polite to get mad and take your toys home.... very adult!!!

Interesting choice of avatars, for a person who has 'been a fan of Bernie' for years and is leaning towards O'Malley.

not is normal. Saying something said on a major network's talking head show cannot possibly be correct and should never be quoted is, IMO, odd.

If Noonan said something for which Bernie's supporters lambasted her, Hillary's supporters would be free to disagree with Bernie supporters. That's discourse.

I never watch Fox or go to FREEP. I never intentionally use or read a RW source. But DU's automatic discounting of anything that came from any Republican is, IMO, becoming extreme to a silly degree. I got lambasted for posting a link to a VIDEO of Barney Frank speaking because the link was to a Republican website and I had not noticed. The only content at the link other than the video was a caption saying it was Barney Frank on Meet the Press. Sorry, it's silly.

If Hillary's delivery was indeed not great, it doesn't matter if Peggy Noonan is the one who said it. It's not likely Donna Brazile will. I don't believe in burying one's head.

Saved me the trouble.

Consider it an answer to you as well...

Thank you.

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Cherokeedem doesn't care what anybody's opinion is or what they post...and will continue to tell you over and over and over how and why Cherokeedem doesn't care what your opinion is. Until you get it that CherokeeDem doesn't care what your opinion is and doesn't care what you post (as long as your post doesn't quote anybody not approved by Cherokeedem).

Your logic... uh... I think you got lost!!!

Once again... doesn't matter what group you post in... when someone disagrees with some comment, the snipe comes out... no discussion just petty little snipes that serve no purpose other than to make the sniper feel superior. Happens all over this once good discussion board.

Let's try this one more time....

I don't care what anyone posts, including your logic rounds. My comment was... I think it is disingenuous to use a Republican pundit to make one's point regarding one Democratic candidate over another. However, if the posters wish to continue to do so they have every right, just like I have the right to comment on it. Politely... without snipe.

Logic that....

you just had to reply. Ok. Whatever. Have at it. You can have the last post here, too. in advance...

not to get the last word.... but to observe your comment for what it is... you have nothing of importance to say so you have resorted to pretending to take the position of superiority. I'm not the one making silly, childish remarks which are totally off the topic regarding my original comment. Ridiculing me only shows who you are.


Didn't work sweetie....

Those are exactly my thoughts beautifully stated.

Just always keep in mind where she's coming from. The poor unfortunate addled woman is still holding a place in her fantasy "bed" for ronald reagan. Nothing ever actually happened there, btw. But she struck me as the closest thing to "reagan's Monica" that we ever saw. She was SHAMEFUL, and shameless, too, in her utter worship of ronald reagan. She'd go on TV and literally rhapsodize about him, and sigh and fawn and almost swoon over him. It was really embarrassing to watch. I'm surprised they didn't make her wear a bib, for how much she drooled over him.

Disgusting.

She is shameless and to use anything that comes out of her mouth to criticize one Democratic candidate over another is disgusting to me, as well.

If all the talking heads said a Sanders speech flopped, can it be mentioned here? If you agree it flopped, can the comments of the talking heads be added as context?
If all the talking heads say Sanders is too far left to win the general election, can it be mentioned here, if you agree that HRC has a better chance to win because she will be perceived as more moderate?

I think it's easy to read too much into the OP. I think that's happened, and has snowballed from there.

it was soooooo disturbing that she really left an impression on me. Not apparently enough for me to remember her name, though, because over the years I began to remember it as if Andrea Mitchell was doing the fawning. So for years, I hated Andrea Mitchell by mistake!

I watched Bernie and turned when Lindsey came on.

I have never heard anyone who loves to hear themselves talk more with the possible exception of Joe Scarborough. Two of kind....

(did you ever get over The Catcher in the Rye ?)

Noonan quotes have been posted here since 2001.
She is an acknowledged spokesperson for the Crazy Conservative Viewpoint.
I really don't believe Noonan influences anyone on this site, excerpt for laughter
and ridicule....like this thread.

I have confidence that the average DUer can tell the difference.

It's not my intention to protect anyone. If someone isn't adult enough to stand a bit of discussion, then they shouldn't be here.

I am well aware Noonan has been quoted often, usually in the context of her Crazy Conservative Viewpoint.. However, to use her comments to validate the negative view of many Bernie supporters regarding Hillary's campaign speech is... in my opinion... wrong. I suspect her comments would have been ridiculed if she had said Hillary gave a wonderful speech. If that had been the case, if a Hillary supporter had used such a comment against Bernie, it would be wrong as well.


FYI.... love The Catcher in the Rye.... your little comment didn't work...

Actually, the Catcher in the Rye quote was perfect.
If you remember, Holden Caulfield wanted to protect the little children from running over a cliff.

You are currently digging your self into an internally conflicted position of protesting quotes from Noonan, and at the same time, denying you are doing it.
I find both you, and Noonan to be laughable.
Noonan , for being a conservative idiot, and you for calling DU to conform to YOUR guidelines (to save the little children ?) LOL

Thanks for the grins.

was the poster shouldn't use the quote from Peggy Noonan to further the opinion that Hillary gave a bad speech.

It is my opinion any supporter of a Democratic candidate using any Republican's words against another Democratic candidate is wrong. I recognized anyone can post anything they choose, right or wrong. However, in my opinion, the poster including her quote in the context it was used was wrong. Nowhere did I state I had the right to determine what someone should post, only that I disagreed with what they posted. If you can not understand the nuance here, sorry.

As for your condescending manner, let me repeat what I told another poster. To attempt to take the superior intellectual position to belittle someone who doesn't agree with you doesn't reflect on me, it reflects on you. When arguments hold no merit, so many people resort to personal attacks as a last resort.

Never once have I been disrespectful to Bernie Sanders or his supporters in anything I have said here. I merely stated my opinion. Yet some people seem to think they have the right to be rude and childish.

I'm the one grinning at the behavior I have witnessed here. Amazing....

You should look in one.

You just proved my point about turning to personal attacks when you got nothing....

ALL of the MSM. They're not the brightest bunch of people on the planet.

Her opinions don't matter much, but what was she wrong about here?

The "referees" to the presidential race may be self appointed, uninformed, biased, and even actively grinding a partisan axe. But some of them do carry weight with the electorate, and woe to the campaign that ignores that. Had her remarks been directed at Sanders then we too would be up in arms. Obviously we'd disagree, and we'd point out where they were wrong.
It likely would even be helpful to speak of how she was misinformed and/or biased. It possibly would also help to go into how she was (or wasn't) representative of her peers.
But at the end of the day it's a foolish campaign that operates under the assumption that these self appointed referees carry no weight. Secretary Clinton and her team aren't fools and they too will note these remarks (along with others, positive and negative), and take them into account. Does anyone doubt that?
Having said that, yeah, I agree that anything one of these "referees" says is deserving of a qualifier.

then mentioning what Peggy noonan has to say is pretty much expected on a regular basis around here.

I don't understand why we can't keep our focus on what matters and stop using these idiots to make points for us. Every time we do, they win.

An OP that was about Bernie Sanders on Face the Nation and what a good job he did. The comments about a section of the show that wasn't the interview is relevant to the Face the Nation broadcast today and the primary.

Regardless of your words about who you support your avatar seems to belie them. You have gotten personal and your constant reiteration of one aspect of the post, without addressing the main point, leads me to believe you are in a safe haven only to try to look down on Sanders supporters.

You have belabored your point about Noonan. Let's move on

"mentioning what Peggy noonan has to say is pretty much expected on a regular basis around here." This is untrue so why say it? That's rhetorical, we both know.

their arguments.

Surely we're better than that?

with that brush.

You have a valid point but after you made your point you continued on and on. Then you go to the Hillary Group and tell them you were treated badly here and wouldn't they please let you in their select club. Good luck to you.

and Bernie was not on it.

All of the other people you mentioned were, but no Bernie.

Did it come on at 11:00 or 11:30.

It was only on for 1/2 hour and started at 11:00 a.m. here in Ohio.

I'm confused.

I will go to their website to see the Bernie interview.

Not all stations carry the whole show.

It is a 1 hour show and my station only carried the second half hour.

If the first half hour is on one of their decimal point channels (11.1, 11.2, 11.3, etc.), or on the corresponding cable channel.

I mention this because here we get the *first* half hour on the main channel, and the second switches to a decimal point channel, 310 on Comcast.

(They do this so the main channel can switch to Joel Osteen - ugh. It's always traumatic to me when I am late switching and have to hear his voice.)

I have Direct TV.

They don't use the decimal point system for channels.

Joel Osteen-super ugh !!!!

Comcast doesn't use the decimal-point system for their numbering, but they carry the decimal-point channels under their own numbers - 11.2 = 310, for example. Perhaps Direct TV does the same?

I can't afford the 'decimal' channels... maybe I am lucky.

We're on the basic plan, but we do get the broadcast decimal channels. If we didn't, I think I'd try an antenna, because two of them are good oldies channels and another two are good movie channels. When I consider how much I watch those four channels, I think I ought to consider dropping cable anyway.

I dropped cable TV a couple of years ago and have no regrets.

You can check the link below to see the strength of the TV signals in your location and the type of antenna you might need. If you live far from a big city or where terrain or other obstacles interfere with reception, a larger antenna might be necessary.

http://tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29

I sure wouldn't mind a) saving the money and b) not giving it to Comcast.

Although not a barn stormer interview, it was as I said a lot better than most on the MSM lately, Andrea Mitchell for example or Diane Rehm.

station only carried the second half hour.

I will catch it on their website.

Andrea Mitchell was interested in Hillary, not Bernie.

I heard about the comment Diane Rehm made.

Katie Couric sucked as well.

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.

That is all they talk about.

Bernie handles them like the pro he is.

The man and his message are nothing short of awesome !!!!

like TPP and labor. As you say other interviews have been bad- Katy Couric's a total bomb/waste, Mitchell all about Hillary and NPR's Diane Rehm began with an ugly fabrication and smear. In that light, Dickerson was very fair and I'm pleased.

with Bernie.

The archives are easy to maneuver.

He has made several appearances on Bill Maher.

I think he will be on again this coming Friday.

You Tube has a ton of speeches and interviews.

Ed Schultz stands up for unions.

I have seen Bernie on Ed's show.

FSTV- especially Amy Goodman, Thom Hartmann & Mike Papantonio. We also usually catch Bill Maher. It will be interesting to see how it goes with Bernie this Friday night, well I hope.

The host stated Hillary's positions and had Bernie respond, as opposed to just asking Bernie about Bernie's positions, or letting Bernie say what he wanted.

to get in a lot of what he likes to say, so we did see it differently then. Many more opportunities to come-

(I have to zap through the commercials and the Republicans to keep my BP down.) I'll post then. In the meantime this will kick the thread.

missed it.

but Bernie masterfully deflected it. He asked Bernie if those who took money were corrupt. Bernie said the system was corrupt. Host asked if those who took that money was corrupt and Bernie managed to say while he was trying to cut him off that they were taking it legally but the system is corrupt.

I had to zap through Lindsay Graham the minute he started bloviating on invading Syria and engaging ISIL. Now listening to Hillary's campaign manager.

After Bernie, I wasn't giving it my full attention, but I though I even heard the new host call some people on facts.

He was professional and did a better job than any of the others
It was nice to hear Bernie say full sentences and not get interrupted

do it. The discussion posts here revived the very recent NPR disaster interview with Diane Rehm and the 'Anti Semite Hour'. Bernie was all class but voiced his objections. Just getting over that awful, set up smear piece-

The more exposure the better.

I must say that I was shocked about the show being carved up, as some have stated...my partner said, "What the hell's up with that?!" We're in Los Angeles and have Dish...he watches the whole show.

...he said Noonan was no where near as obnoxious today compared to her normal stupid.

is fractured anymore. When I stayed overnight at a relative's a while ago- we're in the same large metro area-it was bizarre to discover that on the same LOCAL PBS Channel we got entirely different programming. Different service providers= different selections. Who would know, it's very strange.

He says what he thinks and doesnt try to hedge or be vague
refreshing

That he is so sharp, principled & obviously uncalculating is also truly amazing. It's been a long time since I've seen a US politician behave like this & also maintain the beliefs that I do. And Bernie is a statesman, as Thom Hartmann said which is so true. Corporate Bernie definitely isn't..