Never thought we were. That would mean every democratic site was an aberration

have Bernie supporters been schooled on "DU is not representative of the majority of Democrats"? Seems I've seen that a lot on this site.

But I never believed it.

Doing the Bernie bounce!

DU'ers going there. They were dems and others from the real world. This is good news. A race at last.

And btw, Hillary had a crowd of 5,500 at her formal announcement in NY.

Bernie had 5,000 at his formal announcement in VT.

Do the numbers. NYC alone has approx 8 Million people.

VT, nowhere close to that.

I would say that Bernie is the mainstream candidate in this race. No question.

There were links (even here on DU) telling you how to get a ticket for the thing, how to get there, what to do when you did get there, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

Actually, I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that they couldn't get anymore than 5,500 people to that thing. Not an auspicious beginning IMO.

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But there will be no want of trying.

But the good news is, no one cares about the New! updated & evolved version either.

that be an avenue?

As per usual, with Hillary there is a substantive and very material gap between words and deeds. She makes a phone call to fast food workers trying to organize a drive to raise their wages to $15 an hour. But she vaguely says she supports them BUT won't commit to that $15.00 an hour. And now we learn, thanks to British journos, that she's stiffing not just the standard brand new grads willing to work as unpaid interns, but experienced professionals as well.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, BOYS AND GIRLS? ONLY THE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY NEED APPLY! Obviously many are hoping to parlay this free work into a job should she be elected, but they have to be wealthy enough to work for free. In other words, ain't gonna be hirin' no po folks (to borrow HRC's southern accent).

A veteran Democratic strategist unaffiliated with any presidential campaign said he thought Clinton was sending a mixed message by hiring hundreds of advisers to focus on a policy message around income inequality, only “to hire people as interns and treat people as free labor who have already done the job before”. “It is a really terrible way to treat the most vulnerable people on campaign staff and makes me question their leadership on everything else,” the strategist told the Guardian.

Unpaid internships or fellowships have become a major point of contention in the US since former interns at the media company Condé Nast sued their former employer. A group of 7,500 plaintiffs settled late last year for $5.8 million. “Businesses have taken advantage of unpaid internships to an extent that it is blocking the opportunities for young people to move on into paid employment,” Clinton said in 2013. “More businesses need to move their so-called interns to employees.”(my comment: So there you have her words, just 2 years ago, but here you have her actions in contradiction to those words.)

The Clinton campaign is currently filled with staffers holding jobs they are “overqualified” to hold, said the person, insisting that people currently being paid as field organizers invariably have held more senior positions on past campaigns. This year, though, Clinton’s campaign has made a point of being cheap – and not just because it began with a road trip. Employees use personal cellphones and avoid paying for hotels when they travel. Its press team allowed a Washington Post photographer to document campaign chairman John Podesta riding a discount bus from Washington DC to New York for an article published this week.

(I'm doing a self Godwin.)

Clinton - 44, Sanders - 32

He leads by 8 among Independents.

http://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150502_crosstabs_mc_NH_v1_AD.pdf

Sanders at 32%, starting to make some sense considering the campaign crowds

be known as backing a winner will start to leave her.

There are even many on DU; how many posts have you read that say "I love Bernie but he can't win in the general election", or "I like Bernie better than Hillary but he can't win in the general election"? These people will soon see the writing on the wall.

but still want to "build a base" for the general election

they even acknowledge that Hillary doesn't represent Dems or Americans outside of Wall Street or NorVa and that they think Bernie can't win because of all the dirty tricks, veal pens, and primary-throttling the party Establishment can bring to bear; it's this sort of beaten-down intra-party thinking that the Sanders campaign has to address next

And no, I am definitely NOT a concern troll. America Rising is a Republican PAC devoted to opposition research against Democrats. We can do better than this.

from my twitter feed then posted it here. I had never heard of "America rising" so I guess I didn't give it much thought with respect to "source". I will avoid AR sources in the future though...thanks for the heads up.

Republicans want hillary to win.their entire 2016 script is to run against her.

Bernie forces that script out the door,and forces debate on issues.

Bernie Sanders draws boisterous D.M. crowd of 700-plus

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-drake-university-sheslow/71163200/

but I'm glad that Bernie is drawing large crowds...My guess is that he will continue to do so.

When will Bubba opine that Sander's agenda reminds him of Stalin's? When will somebody from HRC's campaign drop the anti-semite card? You know it's coming. I think HRC's kickoff had to be disappointing for them. 5500 folks is nothing to sneeze at but in NYC it's far from impressive. I believe Mr. Sanders is gonna win this! We must do all we can to make that happen. He himself repeatedly warns us that it will take a MOVEMENT to make real change. I've offered to do whatever they ask me to to realize a President Sanders. Please go to his site and volunteer. WE CAN DO THIS!!!!

GO BERNIE

The MSM and the political pundits still haven't figure out what to make of his candidacy.
They are trying to marginalize him and trying to make it a she said he said , he said he said.
And Senator Sanders said this is not what I am going to do, it is about the ISSUES, ISSUES.
Again and Again the MSM and the pundit's are desperately trying to make this a infomercial rating race.

ISSUES, ISSUES, ISSUES

of the people. He is for us 100%, and I am for him 100%.

And when people hear his message, their gut will confirm that he should be our next President.

I'm over the corporate types.

And her official launch in NYC barely beat his launch in Burlington, VT. Obviously you can't directly correlate crod size to eventual win, but the enthusiasm for the two seems to be roughly the same so far. Her giant warchest and years of getting her groundgame together are 'steamrolling' Bernie about as well as Jeb Bush's attempt to 'steamroll' his opponents.

Actually I'm rather proud of that fact, but I sincerely hope you don't receive the same treatment here.

some folks, won't it?