The guy is an idiot.

And the party loyalty bit is laughable, unless the party is now neocon.

Not sure what's to discuss.

all to avoid the reality that this neoliberal New Dem has their and fuck the rest of us little peons.

Well I find this person to be a whinny asshole and weak.

I quit reading after that.

I saw many change in the 80s and 90s for New Money, despite their background and origins. There are plenty of them holding on and denying the dangerous reality. It's selfish and disgusting.

His grammar is too poor to be a legal eagle.

For example, the word "a part" should be two separate words in this case, not one word. I take "a part" in the play, but I cut the apple "apart."

This guys sounds like a low-information voter who just likes Clinton because "Clinton."

Nice to meet you Queen.

but I have NOTHING to say to people like this. If they can't see what phony, lying, manipulative, power hungry, deceitful, talking-out-of-both-sides-of-their-mouths, right wing people the Clintons are, then there's no help for them.

Saying "Bernie isn't a phony" is worthless - his record proves that he isn't a phony. And if they don't want to be bothered looking it up, then again, no help for them. I did my homework on the Clintons - they need to do theirs. But I guess ignorance is bliss.

One last thing - if I hear this "I was at Woodstock and fought for civil rights in the 60s" shit one more time, as if that gives them some sort of pass as being an all-knowing-wise elder, I'm gonna puke. To hell with the old used-to-be hippies who now bow down at the altar of the corporatist, war hawkish liars.

Argh!!

and understandable. People, particularly older people, need stability. Upheaval is very scary and aversion to risk is a natural way of being. People have seen loss and defeat and have so much at stake, especially if you remember the Reagan era. God, it was awful for progressives and liberals alike. Just awful. Neoliberalism seemed like a good solution, and it was at the time, but its time is up.

Here's the thing though, that stability isn't real anyway. They miss the forest for the trees and don't realize the party is already falling apart anyway.

They are beating a dead horse while the sinking ship sinks deeper. I know I am mixing metaphors here but you know what I am getting at.

I don't know how to inspire confidence that things will be okay under a Bernie presidency, even better actually, but fear is so hard to cut through. All I can say is love them, show the love.

However, their divide and conquer message needs to be challenged line by line.

people Sanders is our JFK.

greater than 75 years of age...and those are the young ones.

And there are plenty of people old enough, Nancy Reagan herself was 94.

My scale may be different, I've always lived around people that work in nursing homes, two of them nurses. 75 is not uncommonly old, these folks are just invisible in our society.

Still, I don't think she is old enough to have personal memory of FDR. She was born in '42 or 43 making her 3 or at most 4 when he died in 1945. She can have fond memories of others fond memories, much like I do. I am 67 and have no personal memories of Roosevelt or Truman. My parents of course did and I remember their stories and the stories of their relatives of the depression and hard times.

He was a strong Democrat and loved FDR. He would take people who didn't have a way to the polls, telling them he didn't care how they voted, so long as they voted. But he did explain how the Republicans were only for the rich people.

My father is almost 86 and he remembers those days, being born six months after Black Tuesday. He knows what FDR did for this country, and though he's not political I'm sure he'd be happy to have Bernie fixing things (with our help, of course) so this country was right again.

make $1 million when you can just give a speech or two for the same amount?

Geesh.

and the rest of the text is just "my dad hated STLO" and "we used to be poor, but I'm not any more, so suck it"

frankly it sounds like that drunk Floridian ranting about her son learning Ay-rab numerals

Then there's the bit that's pretty much just standard antisemitism about how The Jews are all in league.

and get us back to where FDR helped take us and where we need to go for the future.

At the third, I understood he too is a victim of the "divide and conquer" politics of the elite.

So this seems.

coupled with lavish self praise....incorrect, dishonest gossip is not an honest sort of politics.

Up his really A-something mensch.

Somehow, I'm not thinking that's the message LOL.

I hope that's what it is anyway "oysgetseykhnt" (excellent)

Because they aren't allowing him to write anything.

I had better composition and writing skills than that when I was 14 years old and copying my book reports out of Classic Comics.

I won't even comment on the content, because it's ludicrous.

This is 2016 and Bernie is more of a democrat than most who call themselves one today.

America is getting so strange with its up is down and night is day twists on everything.
Sanders program is basically restoring the New Deal. How that could be tearing the Democratic party apart truly confounds me.

In a similar note there are several threads on here that have a CNN anchor claiming that the KKK is part of the progressive movement - cats are dogs red is blue etc--------

and a partictularly whiny idiotic one at that.

There is no talking to somebody like this, any more than there is trying to change the views of a virulent racist. I just walk on by people like that.

Is this written by somebody you know and are you sure it is authentic? Frankly, that reads like a chain letter post originated by somebody like David Brock.

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That asshole works with an attorney is when he hires them to defend his sorry ass....

and if you read the fucking swill they spew "in private", they've been on a nonstop tear for months about how much they LOATHE the man.

What it's actually about, of course, is that he's had the nerve to run a genuine primary challenge when it is HER TURN. ITS HER TURN! HERRR TURN!!!!!




I'm not buying the bullshit. I've read the fucking nastiness some people have written. It's out there, now, for good.

Buying shoes too small so he could get a deal???

Bad for the feet, I'd say, considering shoes tend to be the same price until you get past size 12.

Sorry, guy, but Bernie is the amendment king - he has had lots of accomplishment, and his vote on the gun bill doesn't matter to me nearly as much as SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE. Or Wall Street reform. Or deprivatizing prisons. Or any one of the other very sound and American people oriented planks in Bernie's platform.

And you know what? Fuck 1980, 84 and 88. That was then, this is now, after the American people have been fucked over and over and over since the Dems caved in. Our middle class is almost extinct now. Our purchasing power has gone down, and our incomes are stagnant. Too much money going to the top and not enough left down here.

So fuck Third Way. I want another NEW DEAL. And don't tell me I can't because it isn't 'practical.' That's bullshit. What's not practical is the Fed being owned by Citi and JP Morgan Chase and us owing our national debt to bankers with interest instead of ourselves. That isn't practical. We're being fucked here, and I'm damned tired of it.

mailing.

I guess when one is on time out that's one way of participating.

and being a Jew is not a disadvantage? Has the guy picked up a history book?

1. There weren't a lot of Jews in New York in the mid-twentieth century who came from St. Louis. Mostly they were recent immigrants from Eastern Europe or the children of those immigrants. Especially if this guy's grandmother was "German," her family was probably from the earlier wave of German-Jewish immigrants, many of whom went out west like Barry Goldwater's forebears. So for me that casts doubt on his claim that he was part of a "Jewish clique" -- or if he was, it was a very atypical clique.

2. The idea of a family with 5 kids living in 400 square feet of space is also kind of laughable. That's basically a studio apartment, or at most a small living room, a kitchen, one bedroom, and a bathroom. And the business about getting a mortgage in 1962 with a 45% down payment but having to go to Harlem because nobody would lend them money also strikes me as four different kinds of strange.

3. He claims he was at Woodstock and participated in anti-war marches, which means he was almost certainly born in the 1940s and grew up in the 50s and 60s. Not only does that make the seven-people-in-one-bedroom story even more bizarre, but it means that when he was a struggling 40 year old, it would have been the 1980s. Does any of that add up? If he had been a kid during the Depression and been wearing cheap shoes until the 1960s, that could almost make sense. But then it wouldn't match up with the Woodstock part.

This one stinks from top to bottom.

If he or she is an attorney, I feel sorry for her clients. That was a disorganized mess of an argument.

Did the too small shoes thing happen before or after landing the job with high powered attorneys?

Sounds like a complete load of crap.

To put it nicely.

and the tiny apartment thing sort of. The timeline is highly suspect though no matter how you look at it.

As for the shoes sometimes they are on sale but not in your size. I have really big feet for a short person so I have gone without getting shoes on sale because they don't always have my size. I haven't bought shoes to small though that is stupid to put it mildly. Especially if you work a job where you are on your feet all day long like all my jobs have been. I will go without for a month or so longer until the next sale or ask if they have my size in another store. The small apartment I get too. I have seen that before 10 people in a one bedroom apartment. I read about some people in New York as well that had even more than that in a two bedroom apartment all single men sleeping in bunk beds and sharing one bathroom.

But, it's a hot mess to believe this person was working for high power attorneys at some point after the age of 40 or before that and still buying crap shoes and then a few days later or months or whatever later has their own business. Really you go through 12 plus years of school to be a lawyer get a job making a whole lot of money, then put all that at risk to start a business? None of this makes any sense at all.

It says nasty things about our society. It's one more reason to vote for Bernie. As he always says, no one who works full time should live in poverty. It cannot be healthy for a society to have that much suffering in it. This is what rightwingers and the very wealthy can't seem to grasp: we are individuals AND we are a society, both. We can't favor one too much over the other; we have to take care of both aspects of life.

The shoe thing makes no sense. Better to wear ugly old shoes than ones that are too tight.

I hope America wises up and elects this good man.

that does not convince me in the least to consider Hillary. That makes Sanders my first choice & Stein my second.

if we really want to talk about racism, we should be including that in the conversation.

and has combat training, and so on.

about it. So that makes three of us in this thread and one who messaged asking me if it was so and so, the name was right so I'm guessing they have received one also. It's no big deal for people to be on time outs, they can message, send nasty alerts and harass other posters to their hearts content. People don't get time outs because they are stalked, they get time outs because they are asses and can't be civil. Look at the transparency page, if he posted

and for some good reasons.... Anger management, man.

Good to see these things posted here.

It doesn't really matter who posted it even, the behavior is typical of a broad swath of them.

when you titled your post "fellow democrat". If it's just a random DU poster how do we know it's not a troll? Bizarre.

They can't have what they "want" so they go whack-job spewing crap.

Blinded by the Clinton Charms.

receiving end of this. The writer sounds to me like someone who likes things pretty much as they are, and opposes Sanders because Sanders is demanding significant change.

If as individuals we accept that the changes Sanders outlines require our full attention, the writer's responsibility increases exponentially from its current level.

His/Her disdain for Sanders' campaign suggests to me that he/she is lazy and doesn't want the responsibility of heightened citizenship, which is a pretty good trait of political revolution.

It's illogical, jumbled, and makes statements that sound more like projection than observation.

Some of it sounds almost like a joke (grew up in a laundry, 5 people in 400 sq. ft., buying shoes too small to save money.)

The person uses the word "whine" repeatedly. I have never, not once, ever heard Bernie "whine" about anything.

Something very sick and sad about the letter or email. I think you should just ignore it and them.

it's bogus - The I "marched on Washington in Oct. 69...voted for McGovern and Obama" - so fucking what? This is supposed to prove their left wing creds? I did all that and I HATE Bernie (?) OOOH we better listen to THEM!

P.S. The part about buying shoes too small to save money - that is just idiotic. There are plenty of cheap shoes out there in their size. Now they're not only frugal, they're masochistic too?