There is always JP.

We have to know what they say to counteract their lies.

I already joined JP.

I haven't posted there yet.

posting stuff and putting their little spin on it . Why bother

I had to block the rest of them and their bunker today.

except each other.

dis-empower the negative by not feeding the trolls. not responding to their crap deprives them of air and their latest crap will dissipate. the crapper will go elsewhere because they will not be getting the attention they crave.

It's like reading the scrawling of some pre-pubescent tantrum thrower. You ain't missin' nothing. I have probably 300 people on ignore right now so I don't see any of them. As soon as I spot one, ZAP! and they're off my screen. I've even started putting some Bernie supporters on Ignore. I got tired of being preached to by one and the whiners every time Bernie loses a state -- gone. I don't have time for that shit.

The same thing over and over again. Nothing a Bernie person says ever changes anything they are saying. It reminds me of childhood tantrums. They do enjoy the fighting. After the first "Super Tuesday" I made the remark along the lines that "I guess the battle is over and Hillary won, their is no way Bernie can pull out of losing all those states on March 1" and they came back with oh the primarys are not over yet, there a lot of states to go.

They do enjoy the battles and getting people knocked off the system.

people. Their lack of originality and humanness could be the responses of AI robot participants programmed by mediocre programmers.

(computer programmer 25 yrs.)

They DO interfere with the work WE should be about, electing Bernie.

of the lie. For example I saw a thread like "Bernie bub bye" and a pro-bernie response was "Bernie can still win." (emphasis mine)

It puts one on defense which limits how much one can control the direction of the on-going conversation.

I saw a big shift in GD-P after Iowa. They went on offense with everything they had to stop Sanders and we have been mostly on defense ever since.

Most of the stuff in this article still holds up:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton

Hillary fans and Tea Party nutters. They are both as extreme, hateful, right wing and suicidal as one another.

If her supporters are like that, they learned it somewhere....

That makes them pretty ineffective and ignorable.

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Don't despair yet though.
Lay back for a while. Let's strike back on the 22nd.

A couple was travelling from one village to the next when they came upon a farmer working in his field. They stopped to ask him what the people in the next village were like. The farmer asked, “What were the people like in the last village?” The couple replied, “They were rude, unfriendly, dishonest people.” “You’ll find the people in the next village are the same.” said the farmer.

A second couple was also travelling between the same two villages and came upon the farmer. They too stopped to ask what people in the next village would be like. Again the farmer asked, “What were the people like in the last village?” The second couple replied, “They were kind, friendly, generous, great people!” “You’ll find the people in the next village are the same.” said the farmer.



http://karlz.net/blog/index.php/2011/08/15/parable-of-two-villages/

shit disturbers, race baiters, and OMFG 'it is sexist' Clinton sycophants on Ignore. I highly advise doing the same and heading over to JPR.

doesn't mean a dang thing anyway.

God that's a good meme

banning of good, long-time posters - many more will probably leave with the total ugliness against them beginning since Sanders decided to run and which will only get worse from here on in - with all the gloating and loyalty pledges. And ....... Clinton supporters were getting themselves timed-out left and right. There weren't that many to start with, I have a feeling it was decided they were needed back. Didn't really seem to care when people like Cali were proven to be being alert-stalked though and timed out nearly as soon as she got to post again - every time.

assurances that the jury system was working just peachy. Time and time again for months if not years. And suddenly, not so much.

Very odd.



It wasn't an issue when it was proven with screenshots that people like Cali were being deliberately targeted by MIRT members. Imo, now Sanders supporters are hoped/expected? to be chased off by all the insulting gloating, pledgy stuff by those who now don't have to worry about anything for doing it. Maybe it's easier than an actual official purge? Strange, in any case.

they let all the Hillary nuts loose to do their thing.

Hillary Group.

it was becoming all too apparent exactly how strong Bernie was and is. The establishment is well entrenched in this site, which is rather ironic considering its' beginning's.

can't have one of the largest Democratic forums where the majority DON'T support the coronation!

I am more committed than ever before to NEVER voting for that right wing warmongering planet destroyer, thanks to her thought free reactionary goons. And it couldn't be clearer that Trump is part of her game plan, and probably on her payroll. He's scaring independents into voting for GOP candidates to block Trump, instead of voting for the candidate who would save them from a shitty short existence and allow everyone to once again have a shot at "the American dream".

That includes financial connections to the Clinton campaign.

In meatspace because they are political and religious sheep here. here they have less personality than an accountants' convention. It is bad when the A word means secret Facebook groups. If they could drive us out of town and we didn't keep a low profile they would. A does not mean assholes by the way. You can agree with someone and they think you are arguing with them.very touchy.

are not fellow democrats. they are trolls. their intent is to stir up the democrat base. when the election is over and a democrat is again in office they will get worse. learn to discern trolls from true democrats ( and, i don't mean the "reagan democrats" - who are republicans in hiding).

Resist the impulse to respond. let those posts sink. These people want attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. I learned the hard way. I wasted about an hour on Sunday arguing with one of those people.

4 hides in three weeks. I'll be gone soon. And they are baiting with heteronormative statements, oh they are baiting...

I will send you the alert.

Proving why they got a time out in the first place. At least VR is still flagged.

It is truly sad.

So now all the most toxic people are free to say horrible things. They are reverting to their usual tactics.

On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:48 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck this place is toxic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280149172

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls other DU members hateful and despicable. Accuses other DU members of race-baiting and being paid trolls. This seems rude and over-the-top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:54 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is making observations about other posts/posters. If you don't like, challenge him on it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Calling it as it is shouldn't be alerted on. Skinner even acknowledged that this has been going on here. It has been on both sides. There is a lot of frustration and many are posting on other sites rather than DU.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: DU is dying. Why hide the truth?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So much for The Great Reprieve. Let's see how it goes.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

filling in my explanation.

Interesting times in this little corner of the world, huh?

I forward their "best" stuff to my kids and grandkids, to spread the word on what they really think about them.



ETA: One of my favorites - "WE DON'T WANT YOU AND WE DON'T NEED YOU!"

Skinner has given me the opportunity to step it up.

That DU is too small a place. A lot of us have been pouring our energy here but honestly with facebook, social media, actblue, and cellular phonebanking this place might really be too small.

I mean it served a function when it was just a place to oppose the republicans, with the most vociferous opposition coming from the most progressive of us, but there has been many attempts at shaping this place to be a bit more establishment friendly.

I really only manage a few posts a week here and I do a good job keeping my nose clean. I keep my 100% rating as best I can and try to get as few hides as possible.

I honestly think this place is not where we need to be pouring our energy. We can easily create a facebook page that will be more useful and allow us to message outwards from there.

Like Jello Biafra said: "Don't hate the media, become the media."

Of course I think we really need to take this to the next level. A lot of us can become the core of something bigger. There are a lot of organizations opposing the third way democrats now, we just need to increase the organizing function and start spreading.

I noticed the most toxic people were suddenly given free reign to just unload on everyone else here. It really was a bad move. I think a lot of those people that are continually getting put back in the cage are some of the worst. I don't know how they even do the hill any good and a lot of them don't seem to care that they actually make us angrier. How can that be any good for any of them?

I actually went from posting on DU daily to maybe a few times a week to maybe weekly because of some of the hill-bots. Some of them don't even bother with proper argumentation.

for the most obnoxious ones. Before, I would just count on them being "timed out" eventually, but now that that's been taken away, I just want them to disappear permanently. I didn't want to have to do this, but when I start feeling like punching people, I think it's time to get them out of my life.

Imagine that.

the toxicity level in GDP jumped into the nuclear waste pit levels with the floodgates re-opened.

I'm wondering if Cali knows yet that she can come back. Alert stalked like crazy, it was very hard to watch the deliberate viciousness aimed at her.

and will be back to comfort those who will be devastated when Trump wins.

species.

race but we keep doing so many dumb, destructive and nihilistic things it causes me to loose faith.

But, there are people in my life that remain inspirational. I will say that Bernie's beautiful connections
with young people have really picked me up. Those young people are going to mature but they aren't going to loose their fervor and new young people will get old enough to participate adding mass to the movement.

I don't remember RFK's words exactly, but shortly before he was assassinated, he made a speech stating that the young people are going to have take the lead if there is going to be any meaningful
change in politics.(If anyone remembers that talk, please add to what I have said.)