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Pretty clear a purge is underway.

I've been subjected to the swarm alert attack in the past, & blocked four names this morning.

for allegedly maligning DUers.

I juried on a post today that got what was in my opinion a ridiculous hide, but it is what it is.

other wise they wouldn't mention the possibility.

But the Stockholm Syndrome thing went too far.

I'm sorry his voice is no longer here but I cannot co-sign "appreciation." I'm sorry.

He knew he was pushing the boundaries and yet he continued. It's astonishing that there are so many here that applaud his racist comments.

it and see what it actually means. Do you know how it came to be named such?

He crossed a line and when he was called out, he crossed it again! That was a mistake.

There was no winning that battle, he lost view of the end game.

banned for whatever sins he or she committed here and cannot defend himself or herself against posts here stinks, no matter who got banned or why.

However, plenty of other DUers undeniably do it and there are threads elsewhere doing that as to WillyT. You should put your negative comments about him there. However, in this group, you should respect the OP's intent and keep your posts positive or neutral. JMO.

I self-deleted my first reply to you about it upthread, but it seems you may keep posting this, so I will leave this reply.

I liked him and am sorry to see him go. I just don't co-sign with "appreciation." Which is the intent of the thread.

Please don't pretend your negative statements about him on this thread are consistent with the OP's intent. One thing may have been thoughtless, though it seems to me like something else; the other is clearly dishonest. If you couldn't "co-sign," you could have stayed off the thread entirely. Again, please just stop.

I am not going to pretend there shouldn't be.

threads for that. Besides which, he is BANNED. That is a consequence. DUH.

Did you do all this while he was still posting here, when he could still defend him, jury your posts, etc.? Or are you doing only now, when he has no recourse, which I personally find cowardly, not to mention disrespectful to Bubzer.

I believe you are the first Sanders supporter I will need to put on ignore. What a distinction! But not until this thread runs its course.

And I didn't see the need to add to the already present noise telling him to stop. I also trusted others to explain it to him because nine voices is not much quieter than ten. He didn't listen, now that mistake will eclipse all his positive contributions. That's how it works. It's unfortunate.

Again, it's regrettable to see him go. I just won't get on board with the revision of history. That's a consequence, it's not just banning that follows.

And if Willy is reading this, I'm sorry you aren't here anymore. You will be missed. I know your intentions were good, but the unintended consequences had a bigger impact. They frequently do.

If you didn't think he'd listen to you while he was still here, what positive purpose do you think take pot shots at him when he can't defend himself will serve? Also, I notice you can't stop putting your holier than thou posts on this thread, even though you could start your own thread or post on one of the bash WillyT threads that are not in this group. How many posts do you have to make on this thread before you think you've delivered enough "consequences?"

I am going to have a hard time waiting until this thread runs its course.

It was a re-posted article. He didn't even write it himself, though he did highlight what he thought was important.

If it wasn't so sad for millions of minorities, I'd almost laugh at the transparency of the trolls on DU who've done their best from day one to paint Sanders and his mean, bad supporters as racist, sexist boogeymen. A man who's worked all his life for equality and to improve the lives of those millions hurting as the result of REAL racism and bigotry, against the profit-prison industry that dis-proportionally targets PoC and leaves families devastated, convicted persons lives ruined - often unable to ever vote again, get decent employment, etc. Clinton has made good money from lobbyists for this industry, and still is.

The 'tough on crime' bill her husband put into place and that she championed with her 'super-predators' - we've got to 'bring them to heel' bullshit.

The welfare reform act her husband worked out so that so many black mothers were forced to work in starvation wage paying jobs, unable to afford child-care, transportation and suffered greatly.

The 'war on drugs' that also disproportionately targets PoC, LE racial profiling and brutality - some here don't give one shit about Sanders positions to address these in a real way. Transparent as fuck.

As someone who was abused horribly for many years, I totally understand 'Stockholm Syndrome'. It doesn't just apply to abused women - it is a very REAL issue that affects many who CHOOSE to stay with someone who's actions have ruined or harmed their lives so much. If people can't take the fucking truth, they shouldn't be posting on a message board.

WillyT was just one of a long line of progressive voices that spoke too much truth. That the Admins used this to ban him was an excuse, and a bad one. Many PoC have since pointed out what a bad joke this has all become. They aren't a stupid, helpless group that needs to be protected from scary words - no matter how dishonestly they're used by those of a sad little group of posters on a message group that need the progressives here gone.

I call people who send others to war warmongers all the time - I state they don't care about human life and if they try to give themselves crazy credentials like feminist, or leader of women worldwide or some such shit I get told I'm wrong and have had many, many posts hidden for it. Should I stop though? No, he didn't miscalculate at all. And again, if people can't handle truth they shouldn't be posting on message boards. People question why battered women stay with their mates all the time - should they stop asking? I don't think so. It's a legitimate question, and a proven phenomenon that affects many groups of people. It's no more racist used here than it is asking it about any other group. But, some have this desperate need for every second post involving black people seen as racist, no matter what the intention. It's been a ploy from the beginning.

Do you know what I hear when you say, "you don't know what it means?"

I hear a version of this:

"Nigger isn't racist because it means lazy person." Or whatever it supposedly means now, it keeps changing so much that I lose track.

Just stop digging. Leave it alone.

I'm stating the truth. He blew it and I'm sorry for him, he made an irreversible mistake. I will still miss his contribution here.

any more than it is sexist to assume that many women stay in bad relationships d/t Stockholm Syndrome.

There's a reason these phenomenons are studied, and it's not to do harm to the person or people they're wondering if they might apply to.

in the Sanders group.

No one has to post anything at all on an appreciation thread in the Sanders Group. If they feel they must, they should keep it neutral or positive. They can express negative sentiments elsewhere. There were certainly enough of those in other forums, and what is to be gained by it anyway? Yet another kick at someone who got banned and can't defend himself? This thread is not the place for that. JMO.

I hope they begin to apply that logic on all sides and remove those race baiters on the other side , but we all know that won't happen as certain racists are tolerable apparently .

he found a button and knowingly kept poking it.

I have read Hillary supporters gleefully claiming that they are going to love what is going to happen to Bernie supporters if Hillary wins. Certainly tells me that they would be happy if we were to leave the Dem party. I just have a bad feeling about what's going on here on DU. Maybe, if I read the offending Willy post I can make up my own mind.

Never mind. I found it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280151092

BTW unity is highly over rated. Don't expect it on DU this time!

I knew it'd be WillyT. I believe I know who is next. Who do you think?

They ridicule, etc. So the only reason to stay is to discuss issues among ourselves and put the bullies on ignore.

sadly, you don't need ESP

Fuck the purge.

You don't need to reply. The questions are rhetorical, maybe food for thought.

Boy! Hilary must be scared of California, Washington and Oregon because her storm troopers sure are cracking down on Bernie supporters on DU.



This is no underground. This place is a bought and sold Hillary haven dedicated to preserving the status quo.

Those of us who prefer Bernie have good reasons for it: The Issues.

Hillary is not as strong as Bernie on any issue.

Her claim to be more experienced is sheer bologna. The only thing she is more experienced at is standing beside Bill Clinton at ceremonies.

I strongly believe that the evidence will ultimately show that Hillary is in great part responsible for the terrible mess in Libya and Syria.


I repeat that I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but I will never vote for Hillary.

California does not vote until June 7. This campaign is not over until then. And even after that, at 72 I will assure you, anything can happen. Hillary is not a queen.

She may own the owners of this website, but she does not own California, and I think she knows it.

Hillary doesn't need their money.

Miss your voice.

A great DU'er who brought more to this site for so many years than all the baiter/haters put together.

Willy may have gone overboard a few times, but I'll take his posts any day over the vile posts by many of the pardoned HRC supporters.

DU is going downhill real quick.

. . . he should apologize and be reinstated. Anything else is unfair, given what some Camp Weathervane members get away with.

racism as a hammer to bludgeon progressives. Which is ironic. The whole thing is ironic. Sanders is less of a racist than Clinton.
Here is what Black Lives Matter said about Clinton:

Clintons are no friends of the AA community and they use "racism" to hammer progressives and stifle class conflict.

But it is dead wrong to say African-Americans who support Clinton are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome or are like battered wives. African-Americans have heard white promises before, from the early days of slavery to reconstruction and beyond. Those promises have more often than not been found wanting and have often proven lethal. So better the Devil you know is not a stupid policy . . . it's a cautious one, borne from history.

candidate that has been disastrous to their community. It's a serious discussion that we can't have here because this isn't a "politically liberal" message board as advertised, if you don't say the Politically Correct thing, those that disagree can yell "racism" and if enough of them form a mob, they can get you banned.

H. Clinton and her Prisons For Profits will continue to fill our prisons with minorities. So why would they support her?

The devil you know.

Plus, connections in the community mean a lot. More than in most communities, especially in the South.

Finally, there is money involved.

took it upon herself to ridicule WillyT is a separate thread. That same instigator was once timed out and she should at least show some understanding for having been there before herself. Ignorant people continue to amaze me.

after this was exposed last night.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1521583


You'll notice the OP was strategically deleted.

This is just another excuse to do so. And to get more attention too.

And at Frontpage, one of the most rightwing sites.

that poster, along with others in her circle, is vile. My mouth dropped when I read what she said about Jews. I have been a member of DU for 12 years and I've never seen the type of venom being spewed by those Clinton supporters. I am insulted at the accusations of racism being thrown at Bernie and his supporters (us) with no repercussions (i.e. banning) I know I should put them on ignore, but I'd rather be aware of what they are saying. However, it really depresses me that DU has become what it has become. It used to be a haven for us progressives, but now it's a forum for bullies.

Someone linked to fucking Stormfront and tried to imply Sanders, whose family was killed by the Nazis, was supported by neo-Nazi.

been posted.

her jollies in a strange way.

How cAn Such SopHOmoric LosErs still be posting here?

Skinner's amnesty was such a transparent ploy to get the most egregious Hillary fanatics back on the attack. Nothing like changing the rules as you go along to boost your side.

nicely done

Peace

and I'm very sorry to see that this happened. I was worried for him last night and truly wish he hadn't doubled down on that particular line of discussion.

Meanwhile, I noticed that a particular HRC supporter has had 11 hides in 90 days. I'm not sure the ban hammer is equitably applied, but I'm not in charge.

now that war has been declared.

Everyone knows who really does the bullying and alert swarming/stalking.

Whoosh.

I did not get....

That I was in the Sanders group. I apologize. I will no longer post in this thread, respectfully.

I've known she's been playing a nasty game since the beginning; trying to make every decent thing anyone tried to say about Bernie Sanders wanting to help all people - including people of colour, and fighting for them all his life into something ugly and racist. Turns out ......... the accuser is the one full of hate and really has been playing everyone. It's sick. But par for the whole campaign against him, imo.

And what level playing field? It's never been level. Sanders supporters have never had a proportional representation in MIRT or the Host Forum. Not one of the Clinton bullies has ever been PPR'd. 80% of the alerts here are from a small handful of Clinton supporters.

How do you justify supporting the Wealthy while ignoring the struggling among us.

sanctuary on here and just barely at that as they can still read the group and alert to send to jury.

Also People please try to post more in LBN and VM as those posts can make the Front page while OPs posted in

here and GDP will NOT go to front page.

her. Also there was a HRC disruptor in here yesterday that needs blocking. Will provide link if needed. Thanks.

more than just this group. If you don't know how to alert a host, the instructions are in one of the pinned posts.

one I will go back and alert on the one from yesterday. Thanks.

PS: I was not so vigilant before but, since all that has happened this week I am not in a tolerant mood any more.

mention that in the alert. Blocking is the only power the hosts have and they can't block a poster more than once.

this group. If you don't think she needs to be blocked I will just put her on the other one on ignore. I found the other post btw.

Can't people still get banned? They may not get involuntary vacations during the primary, but the admins have not given up their other powers, as best I can tell.

have immunity. It's their site.

to say whatever they feel like saying, others may get PPRd if they try to follow suit.

I never question the right of a board owner to do whatever he wants with the board.

banned for similar behavior. I agree they can do whatever they want. I know first hand.

You were my favorite!

You are missed.

Stockholm syndrome stuff, I don't agree either way, but Willy T was a great DUer. We had some good exchanges and I appreciated his (or her) along the way.

which is post a protest in hostile territory and get my fair share of abuse from members of a truly ugly, hateful group -- instead of running to a friendly group like this one. Although they seem somewhat more muted this time.

I don't know why I want to stand in enemy territory and tell 'em off. Smart people never do that.

When L0oniX was banned, I was inflamed at the injustice and posted a protest in GD-P, giving a somewhat stalkerish Hill supporter an excuse to form an alert party 12 hours later in the wee hours of the morning to get me a hide, followed by a triumphant little PM from the stalkerish alerter.

Only later did I realize there was a nice L0oniX remembrance thread here.

When Manny was banned, I stayed for days in the thread from which he was banned, protesting the unfairness, and got first-hand experience with some of the dirtiest ones out there.

Only later did I realize there had been a long, warm, Manny thread here.

My instincts appear to be foolish and self-destructive.

I wrote my honest thoughts on Willy there: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7694408

Willy is such a nice person -- not one malicious, hateful bone in his body. A good soul. Whereas the grave dancers are, and always have been, loaded with scowling hatefulness, intent to do harm. I don't know why Hillary attracts such people, but she does. And it speaks volumes about her, as well.

this thread out of respect to Bubzer, if not also WillyT, or stay positive or neutral.

I hate pot shots at banned posters (other than "name removed&quot . I think they are cowardly and gratuitous.

Were they Sanders supporters? If so, makes ya wonder...

It looks more slanted than ever.

Cheers to Willy on all his positive contributions here. I'm sure we'll see the lights get snuffed out one by one now.

I will miss WillyT and the accusations of racism don't ring true.

Sorry to see you go, WillyT. I enjoyed all your posts and your outspoken support of Bernie.

He was indeed a great contributor.

The accusations of some vile haters is just sickening.

This place will not be the same.

I've read a lot of posts on this board. For most posters, sooner or later posts are made which reveal that someone does not support the candidate they profess to support. This occurred one night with Willie T. But hey, it helps support the false meme that Bernie supporters are racist.

There are a lot of manipulative political games that are played. But I think this is definitely one of the lowest.

Divide and conquer. It is how they keep control.

as the truth teller in my personal circle, being banned and shunned is a price one learns to willingly pay - not that it always has to be told - but more often than not, honesty is the best policy.

I hope that he now posts on jackpineradicals.org!

God, I am going to miss him!

Hugs!