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Why does Sanders lose significantly (Original Post) Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 OP
the answer is probably obvious New Earth Mar 2016 #1
He's being screwed. desmiller Mar 2016 #2
agreed n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #19
technically Democrats are being screwed. PatrynXX Mar 2016 #22
Sanders lost AZ for two reasons. LonePirate Mar 2016 #3
Media Blackout, trashing him constantly on MSM, acting like he was not viable constantly bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #7
I was not alleging any fraud... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #8
What you are doing is essentially citing fraud as a reason if you're claiming coincidences. LonePirate Mar 2016 #15
No, I am not. Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #18
No and yes bernbabe Mar 2016 #13
Az also has a ton of older retired folks marlakay Mar 2016 #14
That is a good point. The older demo of AZ does weigh in her favor. LonePirate Mar 2016 #16
I really don't get it because marlakay Mar 2016 #20
My guess is some people prefer to vote for the candidate they know. LonePirate Mar 2016 #24
Not true bernbabe Mar 2016 #21
I'll give 50/50 on the fraud PatrynXX Mar 2016 #23
Absolutely bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #4
Arizona Old Codger Mar 2016 #5
they say CNN over 50% in..where is the 1% bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #9
here Old Codger Mar 2016 #11
NYT New Earth Mar 2016 #25
Our election system is the laughing stock of the modern world. yourout Mar 2016 #6
Where is Jimmy Carter Mira Mar 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #10
+1,000,000,000 TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #17
And I see "They" are snooping in the group... SoapBox Mar 2016 #26
Mostly Bob_Roony Mar 2016 #27

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
22. technically Democrats are being screwed.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

If you push up someone no one is rooting for. It gives them that Mitt Romney I'm gonna win feeling. Then when the important time comes, you have 4-8 years to figure that out only way to blunt it is to vote for more Bernie like dems for congress

LonePirate

(13,419 posts)
3. Sanders lost AZ for two reasons.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

1. It is a closed primary. Voters had to be Democrats or change their party affiliation to Democratic in order to vote. I'm not sure on the deadline for doing so. Clinton has excelled in closed primaries where only Democrats can vote.

2. The state has almost a month of early voting. Hillary has excelled in states with long early voting periods as her extensive ground team gets out the vote intensely during the early voting periods.

Alleged fraud had nothing to do with Sanders losing AZ by the margin he did.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
7. Media Blackout, trashing him constantly on MSM, acting like he was not viable constantly
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

that is what happened. He should have gone there earlier but he had to go to the contests in the East first. The MSM and the ptb were all involved in his loss in many of the states.

LonePirate

(13,419 posts)
15. What you are doing is essentially citing fraud as a reason if you're claiming coincidences.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

You're attempting to draw a correlation between fraud and a Sanders loss by suggesting a pattern exists.

I'm not saying there was no fraud in AZ; but the election in Maricopa, by far the biggest county in the state, was run entirely by Republican officials. If there was fraud, they were responsible.

That being said, fraud is not the reason a state is lost by 20+ points. Fraud may account for a few points, but not 20 or more.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
18. No, I am not.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

I was just saying that those states that had complaints of voter fraud in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012 had Clinton win by 20% or more. It was just an observation not an accusation.

bernbabe

(370 posts)
13. No and yes
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

1. There have been only 2 states before tonight that had fully closed primaries, FL and LA. LA was because of AA and FL was partially.

2. This seems logical, I think it has more to do with early voters not even having a chance to learn about Bernie.

LonePirate

(13,419 posts)
24. My guess is some people prefer to vote for the candidate they know.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

They know Hillary as she has been around for 25+ years. Most voters have only been aware of Bernie for a year or so. I don't think policy positions matter to these voters.

bernbabe

(370 posts)
21. Not true
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

according to the 2013 census at least. Roughly the same % of pop over 65 as many other states.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
23. I'll give 50/50 on the fraud
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

not really alleged, it's happening.. and if it's widespread yes I could assume so. But again it's a conservative state. Hillary is well lets say Purple. So not really surprise there. UT and ID are in play because of Donald. They aren't voting for him. And most are giving independents this year zero interest which isn't very smart imho

Mira

(22,380 posts)
12. Where is Jimmy Carter
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

Now that we really need him?

He used to go all over the world to monitor elections in third world countries. It has long looked to me as if he is desperately needed here.

Response to Else You Are Mad (Original post)

Bob_Roony

(73 posts)
27. Mostly
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

in states that allow early voting far ahead and without excuse. In this case name recognition plays a crucial role. In early voting, people vote before Bernie start ads. and ground work etc.. Clinton is already well known.

Check this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

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