Bernie Sanders

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts) Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:14 AM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders Wins Missouri After All?.....

On March 15, Hillary Clinton narrowly won the Missouri primary with 49.6% of the vote, compared to Bernie Sanders’ 49.4% share of the vote. Since delegates are allocated proportionally, it was projected that Hillary Clinton would win 36 of the 71 pledged delegates, and Sanders would walk away with the other 35 delegates.

But the delegate selection process is not that simple. The voters in the primary do not directly elect the 71 national convention delegates as one might think. Instead, delegates from each candidate who are selected proportionally attend Mass Meetings on April 7 at the different wards, townships and counties across the state. The purpose of these meetings is to select District-Level delegates who would later elect the 71 pledged delegates to represent the candidates in the Democratic National Convention.

This process made sense more than half a century ago when communications were limited and technology nonexistent.

However, just like in Nevada, many Hillary Clinton delegates didn’t show up to these meetings and Bernie Sanders was able to snatch more District-Level delegates than what he was supposed to have. Reported delegate allocation by the Missouri Democratic Party shows that 681 delegates (51.4%) were allocated to Bernie Sanders and 644 delegates (48.6%) allocated for Hillary Clinton.

There will be eight Congressional District Conventions on April 28 where 46 delegates will be selected for the National Democratic Convention. On May 7, 9 pledged PLEO (Party Leaders and Elected Official) would be elected based on the results of the primary. The voters would then select the last 15 pledged delegates on June 18. The table below shows that if all District-Level delegates show up to the upcoming conventions, Sanders should get 37 pledged delegates and Clinton would get 34 delegates.

http://progressivearmy.com/2016/04/10/bernie-sanders-wins-missouri-after-all/

So to me it sounds right ....

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Bernie Sanders Wins Missouri After All?..... (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 OP

I love this kind of news! Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #1

I have a feeling that Missouri won't be the last state to flip for Bernie... Nyan Apr 2016 #2

This is similar to NV. WA State Sanders delegates should also see gains-- eridani Apr 2016 #4

That's very likely, I see. Nyan Apr 2016 #5

Excellent! Zira Apr 2016 #3

So is Wyoming a done deal, or are there additional steps KPN Apr 2016 #6

Next step is the state convention, where very few of the people filing surrogate forms-- eridani Apr 2016 #7

Good to know. Thanks! KPN Apr 2016 #13

Wyoming is not a done deal, they have a state convention where the vote determines delegates jfern Apr 2016 #11

I don't think it is sanders winning as much as Clinton losing. hollysmom Apr 2016 #8

Bill Maher tweet Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 #9

No, Missouri's primary is binding. Delegates will stay 36 for Hillary, 35 for Bernie. eomer Apr 2016 #10

Go read the plan then. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #12

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)

1. I love this kind of news!

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:19 AM

Apr 2016

Nyan

(1,192 posts)

2. I have a feeling that Missouri won't be the last state to flip for Bernie...

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:29 AM

Apr 2016

And now the delegate gap is 204!!
Oh do I love his winning smile in that picture

eridani

(51,907 posts)

4. This is similar to NV. WA State Sanders delegates should also see gains--

Reply to Nyan (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:05 AM

Apr 2016

--due to the tendency of Clinton delegates not to show up. In WY, virtually none of the 2/3 of voters who turned in surrogate affidavits will show up for the next level.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)

5. That's very likely, I see.

Reply to eridani (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:15 AM

Apr 2016

So, how many states will flip before MSM mentioned real delegate math on this?
I swear, they might as well call themselves Pravda if they're gonna include super delegates as if it's elected delegates. The blatant lying is just unbelievable. I'll wait for Ed Schultz on RT to mention this first, then later on, they might pick up on it.
My God. What have we come to?

Zira

(1,054 posts)

3. Excellent!

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:01 AM

Apr 2016

Awesome news!

In WA state she didn't get the 1 delegate from my own precinct because both the primary and the backup refuse to go to the convention.

KPN

(15,646 posts)

6. So is Wyoming a done deal, or are there additional steps

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:22 AM

Apr 2016

to determine the final delegate allocation in that State as well?

eridani

(51,907 posts)

7. Next step is the state convention, where very few of the people filing surrogate forms--

Reply to KPN (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:24 AM

Apr 2016

--will bother to show up. Sanders may get as many as 12 of the delegates.

KPN

(15,646 posts)

13. Good to know. Thanks!

Reply to eridani (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:03 PM

Apr 2016

The Hillarians here at DU have come out full force since Saturday's WY news and are really feeling their oats. Good to know they will likely get knocked back on their backsides when the State convention occurs. No way a majority of those surrogates will show up.

jfern

(5,204 posts)

11. Wyoming is not a done deal, they have a state convention where the vote determines delegates

Reply to KPN (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 AM

Apr 2016

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

8. I don't think it is sanders winning as much as Clinton losing.

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:02 AM

Apr 2016

I thought that this was supposed to be a well oiled machine in practice But they can't get their delegates to show up when it counts? what heck is that about? Are the delegates having second thoughts? Or is the organization over sure and cocky that they don't bother to keep their delegates informed? Or is itsymptomatic for how well the organiztion would run in the election should Clinton proceed to the GE?

I think someone should be worried

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)

9. Bill Maher tweet

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:06 AM

Apr 2016

Bill Maher
?@billmaher

Wyoming makes 9 outta 10 for Bernie. Hillary says if only he'd stop winning elections, people wld see how unelectable he is!

https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/719341402669195264

eomer

(3,845 posts)

10. No, Missouri's primary is binding. Delegates will stay 36 for Hillary, 35 for Bernie.

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:38 AM

Apr 2016

The later steps in Missouri just decide *which* Hillary delegates will fill those 36 slots and *which* Bernie delegates will fill the 35 slots. The number of slots is already fixed by the primary results.

So, no, Missouri is not like Nevada - the rules under the Missouri delegate selection plan are different.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)

12. Go read the plan then.

Reply to eomer (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:06 AM

Apr 2016

Section 3.A.2.

Delegates are selected by a multi tier caucus and convention system......

At no point does it say the delegates are locked based on the primary vote.

The delegates will end up 36 for Bernie to 35 for Hillary. District level votes will go +1 for Bernie (they probably would have anyways). The PLEOs will stay +1 for Hillary (they're chosen by the state committee which is seated based on the primary vote). The at-large will go +1 for Bernie. They're chosen by state delegates as a whole. The at-large is probably the only part changed by stage two delegate swap.

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