women's equality wouldn't forgive Bill.

reason I went off on this today.

She was single and he was married. But Bill was an aristocrat and Monica was just one of the People.

I walked a mile in Paula Jones's boots when I was a young professional woman.

I'm a feminist opposed to returning the Sexual Harasser in Chief to the White House. I've felt this way for 18 years now, totally out of step with organized feminism and Emily's List (I used to be a regular supporter).

easily. Most people don't tell blatant lies because it so shameful to be caught in a lie but if you don;t have a sense of shame, being caught in a lie has little to no emotional consequence.

Back in the 90's a therapist/writer named Bradshaw had a show on PBS about co-dependent and dysfunctional families, lack of shame was a telltale sign of dysfunctionality.

It sickens me to think of them in the White House again.

From No Drama Obama back to All Drama, All the Time Clintons. No Thanks. Shudder at the thought.

It's so unfair that the 'tar of shame' didn't stick to Bill Clinton for an instant. Bill should have been shamed and ostracized, just like Monica.

Instead, 'feminists' trip all over themselves to make excuses for him and corporations have paid him $200million to grace them with his presence.

I continue to feel that Bill was at fault, given his vast power, and he had a responsibility to say no. Any corporate exec that had an affair with an intern would be fired, no matter who had made the first move. I felt that way at the time, and wished Bill would just resign and let Al Gore take over, but I was pretty alone in that. Democrats convinced me, reluctantly, that his actions and lies did not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors so he shouldn't be impeached, but that was it.

Young people, especially young women, have been raised knowing about sexual harassment and with modern workplace expectations. Bill's actions can look worse in hindsight than they were treated at the time.

Even prominent feminists like Gloria Steinem wrote articles defending Bill and demeaning Monica. I was pretty disgusted with organized feminism. I guess I've always been a hard-ass militant feminist.

I'm simply astonished that the Democratic and feminist Establishments are eager to return Bill to the WH as First Gentleman.

Not me. I'm disgusted at the thought of Bill returning to the WH. It's a big reason (tho just one of many) I don't want to vote for Hillary.

in this election is anything but.

That reason alone is enough for me to vote for Bernie.

lewinsky - completely agree. old dogs do not change.

I had a full blown crush on my married professor. I would have done anything for and with this man. Lucky for me he had good judgement and decency and turned me down in a very kind way.

Went a way for a while and thought about it.
While it is sad for Monica I began thinking why now?
I think she was paid a tidy sum for this to come out again
especially now? I was annoyed with the Republicans when this
happened and thought Bill was an idiot, but well why now?
I know it's obvious why now but who is backing this piece?
Quite frankly she managed well. She knows people who have helped
her along and if she couldn't get a job for 10 years she still lived well.
This is an attack on Hillary through her husband.

I find it annoying that once again Hill is being attacked through Bill.
Although his antics lately for her benefit probably means turn about is
fair game. I'm just rambling. Not ranting.

(I never would - I've been there. Can't even imagine doing that publicly)

For me Monica is more of a reminder of life with the Clintons in the
White House. Not really about Hillary, per se. Just the package of the entire family and memories of the late 90s and having to deal with this scandal when it should never have happened in the first place.

Only Monica paid any kind of price

I remember reading that Monica's family was just about financially ruined due to legal fees. And recollect she couldn't get a job for years. If she gets paid something by the media or whatever, I'm sure it doesn't begin to make them financially whole again.

I'm not attacking Hill through Bill. I do think it says something about her judgment or values or strategy that she didn't throw him out.

My answer is a big fat NO I don't want Bill back in the WH.

Monica has spoken out before, this is a continuation of work she began with her Ted talk. Monica has as much right to speak about anything she chooses, whenever and wherever she chooses, as Bill does.

Jon Ronson has written an entire book about online shaming, and how people live through it. It's only natural that he would want to interview Monica, the most shamed woman alive. I don't see anything nefarious about it.

at myself, and my post is here. Not a proud moment, but it is an honest one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1759276



You know, after I watched her presentation on Ted Talk today, I felt deeply shamed.

Shame that I had, however grudgingly, defended Clinton when the hearings were ongoing. I knew, in that deepest heart of hearts, that the real blame belonged to the married man. The boss that dallied with a young subordinate. The man with all the power. If Democrats that did the same were truly honest, they would feel that same shame. The GOPers that instigated the whole circus - we all openly speak of their shameful part of this. But, damn! Some of us weren't much better by holding Bill to a different standard than we would have for just about any other CEO messing with a subordinate intern.

I am so pleased to see she has gained her voice, strength and self back. She is a better woman than I was at her present age.

Now. I know this will piss off certain people, but it had to be said. Let the pillorying begin. I can take it.

angry that it even happened in the first place.

As I said above - seeing Monica's face all over twitter is just a sick reminder of the Clintons in the WH.

And he is the one who should be shamed. Disgrace.

And I don't let Hillary off the hook for lying and then trashing all of the "other" women.

I really, really, really do NOT want those 2 cheap, sleazy grifters back in the WH again. Agree with the above posts re: the Obamas. They have been a blessed relief from the all scandals all the time.

The problem was us lying to ourselves. Telling ourselves that this behavior, while we're not happy with it, is still acceptable. That they're still good people overall. Certainly much better than the Repubs.

Gee, doesn't it all sound kind of familiar?

I thank the gods that so many of us have found a new level of awareness. That we can now see all this for what it really is. And especially that we now have a choice. A choice for someone we don't have to apologize for, or look the other way. A choice for someone who has the courage to stand up and say, it doesn't have to be like that.

Why the Dem leadership thought that inevitably having to defend the Clinton 90s would be an effective strategy for the 2016 campaign is still a mystery to me.

And you're right, if she becomes prez, it'll be the 90s on steroids. So much material in her emails and the Foundation and all the money that's flowed to the Clintons. Investigations galore, until they can find grounds for impeachment hearings.

Fun times ahead.

I remember those bad old days when it was Monica on the news a lot a whole lot. I really didn't want to hear about it. But, it was news and it was something I talked to people about and the responses I got disgusted me. It's okay cuz it's just a bj. Nope, it's not okay not even a little. The way this was handled and because Democrats didn't ask Bill to step down is one reason I drifted away from the Democratic Party. If Democrats aren't going to stick up for what is right then what is the point of being a Democrat?

However, this is really far down on my list of things that piss me off about the Clintons. I'ts still on the list. Business opportunities in Iraq and Libya are pretty close to the top of the list. The bj as far as I know if it had never made the news only had one innocent bystander as a victim. I really hate saying innocent in relationship to Hillary, but there you go it wasn't her fault Bill was a cheating asshole.

trigger that took me back to those days of the constant attacks on the Clintons. And this was one scandal they could have avoided.
I am afraid the attacks on the Clintons are going to be even worse this time around. It seems like with them there is always something that raises eyebrows.

And seeing Monica's face all over twitter really made be appreciate the Obama family even more.

I don't blame Hillary for the scandal either not even a little. However, there are other instances of Bills behavior that should have had her running to a lawyer for a divorce. Mainly the Paula Jones assault, but others as well.

Anyway, like you said it's a blast to the past and not a good times blast to the past. We don't need this kind of thing in the White House it's a bad distraction.