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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:04 AM Apr 2016

I thought threads that were posted in our group were for us to have a place to

go to and discuss issues that are important to us.

I understand that anyone on the internet can read what we post BUT if this is our safe haven, a place we can let it out, why are our threads getting alerted from people that are not members of this group?

Am I misunderstanding something here?

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I thought threads that were posted in our group were for us to have a place to (Original Post) jillan Apr 2016 OP
are you surprised? NRaleighLiberal Apr 2016 #1
No. Just annoyed. It's like having strangers come over to your house and throwing things away jillan Apr 2016 #14
it's why my ignore list is 400 and growing! NRaleighLiberal Apr 2016 #18
To me it's harassment nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #2
If you read the rules, that is exactly what it is, harassment! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4
What can we do about it? It happened yesterday too. To me. And it was a really silly hide. jillan Apr 2016 #8
It's not new. It's been going on for months. LiberalElite Apr 2016 #11
Personally I don't think people who aren't subscribed to a group have any business being offended Kalidurga Apr 2016 #3
I blocked the entire Hillary group. Was not good for my health. jillan Apr 2016 #5
I trashed that group and GDP. dorkzilla Apr 2016 #7
jinx! We posted basically the same thing at the same time. LOL /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #9
Yep me too why would I go there? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #13
I had blocked the entire Hillary Group Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #15
I trashed the entire group to avoid seeing the trash there. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #6
I think there is too much of it. leftcoastmountains Apr 2016 #10
I've long thought the same thing. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #27
I never alert, not even once, never ignore or block any groups. I try and do a fair job on juries. brewens Apr 2016 #28
Some people were alerting on post in the Hillary group. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #12
Stalkers. Personally when I am asked to serve on a jury for a post in the hrc group, I recuse Doctor_J Apr 2016 #16
If only there were more jurors like you. jillan Apr 2016 #17
I don't recuse myself... mak3cats Apr 2016 #24
The crux of the problem: DU has the whole group thing bass ackwards Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #19
It's only going to get worse after tomorrow. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #20
Your analysis is correct, there is going to be a whole lot of ugly mrdmk Apr 2016 #36
This is just a sampling how net neutrality would be artislife Apr 2016 #21
That's the bell that rings for me JackInGreen Apr 2016 #26
i dont really agree PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #22
That's what our mods are for. Kittycat Apr 2016 #32
sorry, disagree PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #35
A protected group isn't exempted from the ToS. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #23
Not a safe place DI Freighter Watcher Apr 2016 #25
Forget them, there are a small number of aggressive antisemitic posters on DU and they will Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #29
Notice how many of them now have Odin's Cross avatars. QC Apr 2016 #30
I did not know about that Thanks. Nothing to do with DU , but I have seen that rounded version Person 2713 Apr 2016 #31
I put all those posters on Ignore Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #34
The antisemitism that isn't being put a stop to IS a major problem here. Kittycat Apr 2016 #33

jillan

(39,451 posts)
14. No. Just annoyed. It's like having strangers come over to your house and throwing things away
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

they don't like.

I can't imagine these hides are coming from one of us.
We are all "close" enough to ask each other to take down a thread when we post something inappropriate.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
8. What can we do about it? It happened yesterday too. To me. And it was a really silly hide.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

And they call Bernie supporters mean and nasty. lololol.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Personally I don't think people who aren't subscribed to a group have any business being offended
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

Don't like what's posted in a group then move on. I never go into the Hillary group because I am pretty sure there is some stuff in there that will be offensive as hell. I have no interest in looking for people to alert on based on partisan ship.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. Yep me too why would I go there?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

I didn't trash it for the longest time. But, after weeks of seeing nothing of substance posted from that group it was an easy trash group decision.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
15. I had blocked the entire Hillary Group
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:19 AM
Apr 2016

but somehow wandered in there anyway, posted something innocuous about religious decorum sometimes prohibiting photographs, and ZAP! I got my automated message saying I was banned.

leftcoastmountains

(2,968 posts)
10. I think there is too much of it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

I think as a juror I've voted to hide 2 so far. I scratch my head a lot with these alerts.
And I'm surprised when people vote to hide. Actually there ought to be a rule that only
a member of the group can alert. Makes sense to me.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
27. I've long thought the same thing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

at the very least anyone banned from a group should not be allowed to alert on posts within that group.

brewens

(13,588 posts)
28. I never alert, not even once, never ignore or block any groups. I try and do a fair job on juries.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

I probably excuse myself from more than I hide. If I get on a jury and it's not something that really interests me enough to take the time to look things over and make a fair call, I bail out. In some cases, to know what's going on, you really need to look through the thread and I don't always have enough time.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
12. Some people were alerting on post in the Hillary group.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:15 AM
Apr 2016

This is most likely pay back. In all fairness they do ban more people, so they probably ticked someone off and now someone is ticked off at us.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
16. Stalkers. Personally when I am asked to serve on a jury for a post in the hrc group, I recuse
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

Myself. That is what an honest person would do.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
24. I don't recuse myself...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:40 AM
Apr 2016

...but neither do I knee-jerk vote to hide just because it's the Hillary group. I vote honestly. But then us Bernie supporters seem to be fair and above-board that way, just like our candidate.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
19. The crux of the problem: DU has the whole group thing bass ackwards
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

If the groups (as opposed to the forums) are supposed to be safe havens in which persons of common interest discuss stuff (be it Hillary, Bernie, African American issues, chicken recipes, power boating, South African drama), then those groups should be closed to all except the hosts, who should have the power to let people into the group. The posts within said groups should not be visible to those outside the group. For example -- there is well known hatred among DUers who sail and those who operate powered marine equipment. The power boaters shouldn't get to see what the sailors are talking about, and vice versa. This spares those in the sail boat group from having to append "SB Group" to their posts maligning owners of boats fitted with twin Mercruiser 450s. Otherwise the power boaters see that stuff in the latest posts page, and just barge right in. Then the sail boat group members alert -- and they don't just want juries -- they want to hold a full blown Captain's Mast, followed by lashing or keel hauling. It's ugly, and contributes to the tense atmosphere we've seen here lately at DU.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
20. It's only going to get worse after tomorrow.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

Because New York is set up to result in a tie, or at the least a very close race, one that won't tilt the scales very much.

And then it's going to get a lot worse around here.

Members of DU don't even have to make comments in any of the sub forums in order to sit on juries.
So, you have no idea what they think because they don't have to speak out and let anyone know how they think.
For all we know, 90% of the new members may be Trump supporters.

Why would Trump's supporters join DU?
Because new members to DU are not required to participate in threads by making comments in order to send alerts on posts that piss them off.

So, in essence, you are being alerted on by the silent majority who want to suppress your freedom of speech.
All they need to do to be effective is make alerts on every single post you make on any given day . . and before you know it, you wind up being flagged for review, like BMUS was.

After New York's election is over tomorrow, and after the results are contested --- as it looks like they will be now -- it will be open season on any Bernie supporter at DU.

It won't affect the outcome of any elections in real life in the future . . but they hate your guts for supporting Bernie all the same.



mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
36. Your analysis is correct, there is going to be a whole lot of ugly
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

What gets me in this election is the authoritarian slant on who I should vote for. I use to use the ignore function sparingly until now. Getting different points of view is important to useful knowledge. Now it has become brow beating 101 with the coordination of strategies from outside posting boards. To make matters worse the lifting of the time-out rule when attitudes where starting to calm down.

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JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
26. That's the bell that rings for me
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

and the one I'm most concerned about....
I'm pretty sure without Bernie in office, we're in for a nastier revolution of one kind or another. Either from against the theocrat, the facist, or more mildly (or perhaps just a bit less heatedly) the bought and paid for of our own. I hope we're all ready for a fight, only one of those options doesn't see the people as the ones that need to be 'brought to heel'.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
22. i dont really agree
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:50 AM
Apr 2016

The posts are still visible t o everyone and if they're offensive, they're offensive. I think closed groups are a bad idea because people think they can say outrageous stuff and they're safe.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
32. That's what our mods are for.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

I don't think they should read everything, but if there is an issue, it should be there responsibility. If they aren't doing their job, and by not doing their job - I think that would take equal examination of the other forum's posts, then that becomes an admin/mod discussion. Alert stalking on protected candidate forum's is infantile.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
35. sorry, disagree
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

Alert stalking is juvenile but so is starting threads which attack other DUers, and it happens frequently. Those threads show up in latest/greatest and cause a lot of bad feelings.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
23. A protected group isn't exempted from the ToS.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:53 AM
Apr 2016

For example, I think my very first Hide vote was when the poster called another DU member an asshole. Well, if there's a post in Brutus's protected group in which someone calls a Caesar supporter an asshole, that's improper and should be hidden, regardless of who alerted on it.

At least, that's my understanding of how the rules are applied. It's also my view of how the rules should be applied. Let's maintain at least a minimal standard of civility toward one another.

That said, I've let a lot of incivility from the Clinton supporters pass without alerting. The latest gem I spotted was that Sanders supporters are "{j}ust the same people voting for the latest shiny object." If I'd been called to a jury on that post, I would have voted to hide it as a personal attack, but I didn't bother alerting. Instead, I just added it to my collection. If Hillary gets the nomination, I may turn some of the choicer smears into a sig.

25. Not a safe place
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

That's why I read but don't comment or post. Even in a protected group, DU allows the Hillary people to run roughshod over this site. After reading this site for over a year I stepped in the fray and quickly learned to stay silent in my support for Bernie, even in the Bernie Group.
I just commented so bring it hilltrolls, I have nothing to loose here, except potential friends.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. Forget them, there are a small number of aggressive antisemitic posters on DU and they will
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

carry on with language and tactics that attack and attempt to define 'the other' which is all they have. On DU most of that same lot has a long history of very aggressive anti LGBT comments and attitudes so I'm already super familiar with them and with the personas they use as facade.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
31. I did not know about that Thanks. Nothing to do with DU , but I have seen that rounded version
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

with a square of the Celtic cross vs the elongated traditional Irish type, exhibited places . Now I noes

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/celtic-cross.html

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
33. The antisemitism that isn't being put a stop to IS a major problem here.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

It's becoming a reflection of the site, since the admins aren't pulling those threads or posters when they have been alerted on multiple times. Winning juries 3-4 doesn't make it less antisemitic. We don't determine racism by popular vote. It's racist because it is. It's antisemitic because it is.

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