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Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:36 PM Apr 2016

A thought (for Bernie group only)

I wonder if some people want to see the republicans get punished. That some people desperately want that fight and vindication that would come from it? Especially after all the attacks since the early 90's (some fair, some ridiculously unfair) on the former first lady, senator and sos. Add Trump to the mix and.. well, if you are into that sort of thing, there is no better opponent.

Those of us that were around then remember how brutal it was, scandal after scandal, nasty and dirty tricks from the GOP (it was quite awful). It's how she is now perceived as, in a weird way, both a victim and a badass.

Bernie is first and foremost about progress, and he's not a bloodthirsty 'lawyer with the killer instinct' sort of person that has to win at all costs. He's an actual leader, not a street fighter with a cutthroat nature.

I think there may be some voters, not all of them obviously, but some that want to see that battle. The epic beat down that only she could deliver. Some pundits too... I notice this sometimes, that some pundits love the game itself more than they love the reason the game exists.

I thought I sensed this in a few people before but maybe I gave people too much credit, I always thought most progressives and liberals were interested in change but... now I am not so sure. I think some people love politics the way they love sports - which is fine but the competition aspect of it is not why we have a government.

I wonder this because anyone that thinks first and foremost about the issues, any liberal or progressive, would CLEARLY be with Bernie. There is simply no contest.

And then there's the cult of personality aspect, which is downright creepy sometimes. But I digress....

Your thoughts? What say you, Bernsters? Am I on to something or nah?

*afterthought - some women may want to see the patriarchal beltway boys club be punished as well.

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southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
2. Those "battles" keep the people engaged, entertained & WATCHING THE NEWS.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

The MSM has a HUGE vested money interest in keeping us watching. Advertising $. Always follow the money. Especially, today.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
5. Exactly....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

I never believed the "Exit Polls" in New York. Notice how they NEVER (They Being the MSM) ever show the data or even a margin of error for their so-called "Exit Polls"?

New York has went just like it did in 2008, and it was predictable as Popcorn cooking in a Microwave. The Battle Goes Forward...

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
8. MSM is just a tool of the PTB. It's becoming more & more obvious. Just wonder if they realize how
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

blatant their "selling" has become. It's sickening & repugnant. All salesmen for their handlers.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,637 posts)
3. I think you're right, especially about the issues being more important.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised about the cult of personality stuff either. Or the 'lawyer with the killer instinct' as well.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
4. They want to punish republicans?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

First, she CANT win against republicans. Republicans WILL come out of the woodwork to vote against her. They hate her with the heat of one hundred thousand white hot suns. That thought process is asinine.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
7. I agree with you. It feels like a sporting event with some of the Hillary crowd.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

Given the great national shame and humiliation Hillary (and Chelsea) had to suffer while Bill was President what better way to find vindication than by becoming the first woman POTUS. I believe she's a getting a number of votes because of it.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
9. Here's the problem though
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

That battle could tear the party apart, I hope I'm wrong but it probably would. In no more than two cycles, maybe less. But hey, if that's what the party wants... more power to them. I hope the fallout is minimal, the poor will suffer the most. Adding insult to injury is the complete disregard for the future generation of progressives and liberals. They are not winning millenials, they are losing them and at their numbers ... it's like the republicans and their refusal to embrace latinos and lgbtq, despite the fact that their base of old white guys is dying off.

I truly do not understand their decisions, it's not about winning a game, it's about serving the people. They reveal themselves.

And as far as Trump goes, I think the war between tribes would get so ugly, it would destroy both sides and then everybody loses. You can't destroy people like Trump, at best, you wait for them to destroy themselves --- and stay out of their way when they do.

If she wins, it's going to get real ugly out there. There will be no unity, there will be even more division. Apparently that's exactly what people want.

Bernie is the only candidate that brings people together.

global1

(25,253 posts)
10. Your Comment About People Loving Politics The Way They Love Sports Resonated With Me....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:07 AM
Apr 2016

I'm thinking that this is caused by the MSM basically turning elections into 'sporting events' or 'reality shows'.

Just look at the ways that the cable news networks portray these elections. The music that they play. The graphics they display. The talking heads that they pit against one another. The build-up to the day of the voting. The emphasis on winning at all costs. In a sense - they have become just big contests - about winning or losing - and they lose sight of the issues that are the reason we have these elections in the first place.

With the emphasis away from the issues - which they minimize the importance of - all that is left is - who wins and who loses.

Who won the World Series? Who won the Stanley Cup? Who won the Superbowl?

We've essentially reduced running for office to the level of these types of sporting events. They've dumbed down the electorate and take their minds off of the issues and all that's left is who won - who lost.

You can see it in the posts here at DU. The competition between the Hillary Group and the Bernie Group. The jibes and swipes that each take against the other. Team Hillary. Team Bernie.

This is something I had on my mind for a long time during this primary season. My observation with respect to DU and these groups we have here on DU. We've essentially become just like Congress here at DU. The Repugs on one side of the aisle and the Dems on the other side. Not talking to each other. Not listening to each other. Only here on DU - it is the Hllary Group and the Bernie Group. Not being able to engage in legitimate discourse between the two. We only talk amongst ourselves. We preach to the choir and feel good about ourselves because we agree with each other. In fact when one attempts legitimate discourse in a group - they are banned from the group because the discourse is coming off as negative rather than constructive and looking for common ground.

Until two people; two groups; two Parties - can talk to each other and actually listen - folks - we are going nowhere. In the meantime - crack out the popcorn; play drinking games with the debates and root for your team - go along with the MSM and think of this only as a sport.

The ultimate sporting event is coming up in the form of the General Election. I fear that this will be a bloodsport. That ought to really enthrall the masses. Unfortunately - we'll be entertained through November and then we'll probably have 'voters remorse'.

And as long as I'm on a roll here - all those issues we've encountered with the voting in the states. The lack of polling places. People being taken off voters rolls. Provisional ballots that don't count. Voter disenfranchisement. etc.

Well folks - do you think after November anything will happen to make sure that we don't run into the same problems in 2020?

These problems will just be bad memories - only to surface again in four years. Why? because we will forget about these problems. Out of sight - out of mind - until the next time.

One would think that we'd be able to have decent and fair elections. Standardized for the whole country rather than every state doing their own thing. Wouldn't it be neat that we really would have 'one person - one vote'? No party affiliations attached to it. No caucuses. No closed primaries. Just every American being able to vote for the candidate of their choice regardless of Party affiliation.

But that won't happen - because it makes too much sense. Why do you think it is as different all over this country as it is?
My guess is that as some of our candidates have stated - because it is rigged and the powers that be - want it to be rigged so that they don't have to deal with the will of the people.

Thank you Rebkeh for letting me get a lot off my chest here. I've been sitting on these observations and feelings for a long time now and your post here today gave me the opportunity to vent.


Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
11. You're welcome!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016


Just look at the ways that the cable news networks portray these elections. The music that they play. The graphics they display. The talking heads that they pit against one another. The build-up to the day of the voting. The emphasis on winning at all costs. In a sense - they have become just big contests - about winning or losing - and they lose sight of the issues that are the reason we have these elections in the first place.

I couldn't agree more.

It reminds me of The Hunger Games (without the literal killing) and the Capitol in Panem. If you haven't seen the movie, give it a go from the first one. Better yet, read the book, it's quite illustrative.
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