I don't think we are doing Bernie any favors with all the Hillary bashing. I felt this way before NY as well. We have a great candidate who I was proud to cast a vote for yesterday. Why are we so focused on bashing Hillary instead of promoting our candidate?

making fun of her attire, or such things have always been silly and don't have a place here. but its not our fault she has horrid and shitty policies that do not AT ALL reflect the people,or progressive values. it is not our fault she is bought and paid for by the special interests. if by bashing, they mean to suggest that we no longer criticize her horrid policies, behavior, ethics, or record, then i will have to remove myself from the proceedings.

and if she can't handle THIS, then she is toast against trump anyway.

grass, I think there is something much different going on here. I personally think that the OP's motive was misinterpreted. Autumn still supports Bernie and is doing a ton on his behalf.

But I don't believe it is the role of the host to shape discussion.

all due respect, isn't that the very definition of a host? Even if it is simply through moderation? And don't hosts become hosts based upon their dedication? How would anybody know who is dedicated if they aren't engaged in the discussion too?

I do get your concern though, if I felt that was the reason for the OP in question, I would probably be with you, but if you read the responses she gave down thread, you will see why I am saying what I am.

The primary isn't over yet. If this forum turns into just GE mode, I'll stop reading.

It was also arrogant.

this could be her putting some pressure on the host of the site to make his decision based on all of the hoohawing from the other side, in other words **** or get of the pot to stop the bashing both ways OR to declare publicly that the fat lady has not yet sung and start fairly moderating some of the gloating.

Either way, in the end each individual will make their decision whether it is BernieorBust or Kum By Yah.

I personally do not see this OP as a call to get into GE mode and all hold hands.

As it stands, it looks like a cop out.

None of it makes sense. The Clinton campaign has been fabricating one story after another for months. Her supporters are out of control and so the solution is to shut it down? Zero sense. Let the primaries run and go from there as Skinner has directed. I do not agree to pull the plug!

"And, bingo! E-mail from the Bern, hitting up his duped disciples for more cash..."

Autumn asked Skinner to "shut it down" meaning to impost GE status which means that those who do not declare fealty to Hillary will be purged from DU.

An estimate 80 percent of DU supports Bernie. Those who will not declare they will vote for Hillary will be purged.

In more ways than one, but mainly one very big reason.

... from other OP titles that read "Call it, Skinner."

Her "Call it Skinner" being read as a request to "shut it down" or "tone it down" seems like a reach.

So did I, and I was on the jury.

Autumn to decide for the rest of us what should happen. I live in Oregon we do not vote until May! Has Autumn already voted?

Edit after reading above posts. If Autumn used her comment as satire then she did not explain herself correctly in answering that comment in the other thread. I did not nor do I know what exactly she meant. I did not see the one with the ,

that's BULLSHIT!! Some of us haven't even voted yet and i DO NOT accept the reults of these corrupt elections.

125K+ people disenfranchised and everyone here just rolls over and takes it?! WTF is wrong with some people here?? If this had happened when it was GW Bush, EVERYONE here would be screaming about it

I wish all DU'er's would stop wasting time attacking each other personally.

I think it's certainly still legitimate to post facts and arguments in favor of one's own candidate or against the other.

But I don't believe personally attacking fellow DU'er's, even if you're convinced they're trolls, is worth the time and effort; and it can be very alienating to people you may want to ally with later.

How about we look to greener pastures?

I was thinking we can take this to facebook. We can start a private group that new members have to be approved to join.
We will have the freedom to say what we want without being censored.
No matter what happens to Bernie's presidential campaign, the movement is not going anywhere.
We can call ourselves the Birdiecrats - or whatever we decide. We can vote on a new name AND make sure all the votes get counted

I'm sure most of you are on facebook.
Yes, there is also JPR but this can be in addition to that website & everyone that's over there should be invited to join our facebook group. Which would be nice since several people we care about are not coming back here.

I'm not advocating leaving DU at all. This DU Bernie group will still be here.

What I am advocating for is a new Bernie Group at a different setting where we can freely discuss our concerns with Hillary, freely chose to be Bernie or Bust, share Bernie news, photos, etc. without being scrutinized, alerted on, hidden or kicked out.


It would be nice to regain our freedom of speech. I never cared much for walking on eggshells. And I am done being insulted.

Thoughts?

If even the Sanders Group here isn't really for Sanders, but ready for the coronation instead, then it's clear that the legitimate Sanders supporters need another venue.

...without much control over who sees it.

I highly recommend it. http://jackpineradicals.org/forum.php

is my Hero group also. And they say what they feel and it not censored.

One with, you know, Sanders supporters as hosts?

Jesus H. Christ. This is about the last straw for me at DU. When even our little enclave of Berners has been infiltrated, what's the purpose of being here at all?

And she has been a good host. I think everyone would agree.

We should transition to GE footing NOW? No more criticism of HRH allowed? No waiting for California to vote? We're just going the way of Daily Kos -- we have our "presumptive" nominee, no more pesky voting needed?

I, for one, vehemently disagree. And I suspect I am not the only one. If I am, then I am obviously in the wrong place.

We are still in the primaries. Bernie is still in. My feeling is that, if Hillary is the nominee, there won't be much of a Bernie group to host, really. And what exactly is GE mode? Supporting Hillary? ignoring war and fracking and the TPP? Cannot do that, sorry.

actual reality on the ground. Just because Hillary doesn't like it, too bad.

if she's the nominee. I refuse to accept her supposed inevitability.

She is such a divisive figure she would not win. Also, I hate the WTO and neoliberalism and I dont want to endorse it with a vote. That would be sending entirely the wrong message.

Neoliberalism is anti-democratic. Trade deals are antidemocratic and I believe they are Unconstitutional.

We never needed trade deals to give special rights to corporations before and we don't need them now.

If she was serious, I disagree.

I wished she would explain it to the group, though.

...it appears that the concensus among Bernie supporters at large is "Full Speed Ahead" and that most say they will not vote for Hillary. Not ever.

Indeed,many forget, whose site this is.