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Poll: If Bernie isn't the nominee, how will you vote? (Original Post) liberalnarb Apr 2016 OP
would anyone be mad with me if i said retrowire Apr 2016 #1
If you don't know LiberalElite Apr 2016 #7
I don't either ... surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #12
No. What's the point of getting "mad". You will either vote or you won't. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #14
think of what the next 4 years will be under a President Hillary Clinton greymouse Apr 2016 #22
So you're saying Trump is honest, capable man? Fla Dem Apr 2016 #30
no, I'm saying neither of them is honest or capable. greymouse Apr 2016 #33
So in the meantime you're ok with Trump being our President so you have something to laugh about? Fla Dem Apr 2016 #35
I see the words, but hardly take any stock in them... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #37
Whatever. That's your prerogative. Have at it. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #38
Except she won't do those things. She is bought and sold, and she owes a lot to a lot of JDPriestly Apr 2016 #39
Reading is fundamental... nt MattSh Apr 2016 #44
So far, it matches others, even polls unreleased, they don't want out. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #2
15% would vote for Hillary. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #3
I still say it's too soon to ask this question......let's focus on the remaining primaries. LongTomH Apr 2016 #4
(sigh) LiberalElite Apr 2016 #5
It depends on how close the polls are in my state (Fla.) jg10003 Apr 2016 #6
Fellow swing-stater here obamneycare Apr 2016 #25
I will vote for Hillary, but I won't enjoy it. BoringWilli Apr 2016 #8
I think I would do the same... MoonchildCA Apr 2016 #20
If it's Hillary Plucketeer Apr 2016 #9
I was thinking the same thing but........ Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2016 #11
Who cares who they blame? Yuugal Apr 2016 #19
Do I care who the DNC and the Clintons blame? greymouse Apr 2016 #23
We'll get the blame beltanefauve Apr 2016 #36
^ This. TalkingDog Apr 2016 #15
So would I and that is why I'm supporting Bernie.... Capt.Rocky300 Apr 2016 #21
I disagree with you, Capt, respectfully greymouse Apr 2016 #24
With you all the way. 840high Apr 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #10
They are missing... SoapBox Apr 2016 #13
I created the poll. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #16
I'm half central american, and Hillary went to fuck with Honduras... AZ Progressive Apr 2016 #18
quite telling (results) silvershadow Apr 2016 #26
the nominiee has not been picked, there are months to go, you never know what will happen. hollysmom Apr 2016 #27
Very optimistic of you. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #28
hey, I went on vacation once and died hollysmom Apr 2016 #29
Interesting. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #32
I have been so close to death so many times it barely phases me Kalidurga Apr 2016 #34
Don't know. I know I will be voting no matter who is nominated. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #31
I'm in TX. It doesn't really matter n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #40
Other lmbradford Apr 2016 #41
I don't know yet. I'm in Az so my vote doesn't count anyway. jillan Apr 2016 #42
I don't know. Not for Cruz, thats for sure. Not for Trump. Baobab Apr 2016 #43

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
7. If you don't know
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

there's something wrong.
Let them get mad. You'll know when you know
Election Day is six months away.
I'd bet the rent Her side isn't spending time on an alternative plan.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
12. I don't either ...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

... and I'm in no hurry to figure out an answer.

There's plenty of time to wait and see how things develop. November is a long way away.

Fla Dem

(23,673 posts)
14. No. What's the point of getting "mad". You will either vote or you won't.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

You will either vote for the Democratic nominee or you won't . Your decision, your vote.

Having said that, I hope during your deliberation, you will weigh the consequences of not voting for the Democratic nominee. While one vote may seem insignificant, so does one rain drop. But if lots of registered Dems and left leaning Independents stay home, or vote a protest vote, then that is significant; just as many raindrops can create a flood.

Vote with your heart and your head and think about what the next 4 years may be like under a President Trump.

greymouse

(872 posts)
22. think of what the next 4 years will be under a President Hillary Clinton
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

Wars without end. More Arab countries destroyed at the bidding of Israel. Shoring up the predator banks. Laws that favor the 1% and outsourcing jobs. Trashing the environment. Lying about everything.

At least Trump would be entertaining. He could hardly do more harm than Hillary, who will not only damage the country but drag the Democratic party so much further to the right it will be in Likud land.

This isn't a choice between Nader and Gore. It's a choice between an honest, capable man and a corrupt, incompetent pol.

Fla Dem

(23,673 posts)
30. So you're saying Trump is honest, capable man?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016
Wall Street must work for Main Street.
Hillary will:
Veto Republican efforts to repeal or weaken Dodd-Frank.
Tackle dangerous risks in the big banks and elsewhere in the financial system.
Hold both individuals and corporations accountable when they break the law.

“Our banking system is still too complex and too risky … While institutions have paid large fines and in some cases admitted guilt, too often it has seemed that the human beings responsible get off with limited consequences – or none at all, even when they’ve already pocketed the gains. This is wrong, and on my watch, it will change.”
HILLARY CLINTON, JULY 13, 2015
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/


Making America the world’s clean energy superpower and meeting the climate challenge.
Hillary will:
Create good-paying jobs by making the United States the clean energy superpower of the 21st century.
Set national goals to have 500 million solar panels installed; generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America; cut energy waste in homes, schools, and hospitals by a third; and reduce American oil consumption by a third.
Lead the world in the fight against climate change by bringing greenhouse gas emissions to 30 percent below what they were in 2005 within the next decade—and keep going.

"I won’t let anyone take us backward, deny our economy the benefits of harnessing a clean energy future, or force our children to endure the catastrophe that would result from unchecked climate change."
HILLARY, NOVEMBER 29, 2015
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

greymouse

(872 posts)
33. no, I'm saying neither of them is honest or capable.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

But if Hillary gets elected that validates our party having candidates who are not those things and who have republican lite values. Only when we do not vote for those people will the party get its values in order. Or it may self destruct - I don't care, as long as a real democratic party arises from the debris.

Fla Dem

(23,673 posts)
35. So in the meantime you're ok with Trump being our President so you have something to laugh about?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

I hope you're still finding him funny and laughing at him after 4 years.

The original post said "If Bernie isn't the nominee, how will you vote?"

So we started with the premise that Bernie doesn't get the nomination.

Perhaps you should read up on Hillary Clinton's positions.

An end to Alzheimer’s disease
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/alzheimers-disease/

Campaign finance reform
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

Campus sexual assault
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campus-sexual-assault/

Climate change and energy
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

College
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Criminal justice reform
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

National security
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

Wall Street and corporate America
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/

There's more here: a link to most of her positions.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/



tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
37. I see the words, but hardly take any stock in them...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:23 PM
Apr 2016

She could say she got blonde hair and I would have to check my eyesight before believing her.

I simply don't trust anything she says.

Now if I could see those transcripts, that I could believe.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
39. Except she won't do those things. She is bought and sold, and she owes a lot to a lot of
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

very wealthy people whom she sill not displease with the likes of meeting those goals.

Hillary Clinton, as a candidate, in my view, is a sad joke.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
2. So far, it matches others, even polls unreleased, they don't want out.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

They cannot continue on this path, the party. Thanks for the poll.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
4. I still say it's too soon to ask this question......let's focus on the remaining primaries.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Also, we don't know what the 3rd party choices will be. If Bernie is one of them............YEAH!!!!

jg10003

(976 posts)
6. It depends on how close the polls are in my state (Fla.)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

If the polls are close, I'll vote for Hillary in order to avoid a repeat of 2000. However if either Hillary or the GOP nominee is more then 10 points ahead then I'll vote for a third party candidate.

 

obamneycare

(40 posts)
25. Fellow swing-stater here
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

Can't afford to go with the polls on this one. Don't discount the ability of GOP legislatures, apathetic voters, and frankly, HRC's awful campaign, to suppress Dem turnout. As much as it might tear us up, we have an obligation to vote D in November, with our states standing in the way of a RW extremist in the White House.

BoringWilli

(3 posts)
8. I will vote for Hillary, but I won't enjoy it.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

I live in an important swing state so my vote is important. This is assuming that she wins the primary and become the nominee.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
20. I think I would do the same...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

As much as I dislike Hillary, Trump scares me more. I will always vote for the least amount of harm to be done to this country. Heck, if I had to choose between Trump and Cruz, I'd choose Trump.

Luckily, I'm in California and we are pretty safely blue, unless something drastically changes in the odds of us going blue, I will write in Sanders. Not voting for the democratic candidate will be a first for me in over 30 years of voting.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
11. I was thinking the same thing but........
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

I don't want the DNC and Clintons to be able to blame Bernie, or Bernie supporters, when Trump wins. That's why I may vote for Jill Stein since she will be on the ballot.

 

Yuugal

(2,281 posts)
19. Who cares who they blame?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

I vote for what I think is right, not because someone else may think badly of me.

greymouse

(872 posts)
23. Do I care who the DNC and the Clintons blame?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

No. The more discomfort to them the better. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, i would enjoy seeing them go down to defeat.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
15. ^ This.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

I'd like, just once in my life, to be able to vote for a candidate whose core values I truly believe in.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
21. So would I and that is why I'm supporting Bernie....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you don't remember that Ralph Nader was and continues to be treated like a leper and the people who voted for him allowed for Bush to become president. Not that I and others being blamed for Bush keeps me up at night, but I want Bernie to continue to lead this country in some high profile capacity back to sanity and improving the lives of average Americans. That will be hard to do if he gets the blame.

greymouse

(872 posts)
24. I disagree with you, Capt, respectfully
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

You're assuming the continued existence of the Democratic party. I say either Bernie wins and he cleans it up, or Bernie loses and a new honest party with Democratic principles arises.

Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
18. I'm half central american, and Hillary went to fuck with Honduras...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

Guess if I'd vote for an Imperialist or not...

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
27. the nominiee has not been picked, there are months to go, you never know what will happen.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

I could be run over by a car and not vote for all I know.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
29. hey, I went on vacation once and died
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:31 PM
Apr 2016

long story I don't want to go into, I was just lucky when I started to feel ill I was by a hospital, took the crash cart and 3 days to recover.

I plan ahead, but you never know. I think things are not as clear cut as others may think. a lot can happen before August.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
34. I have been so close to death so many times it barely phases me
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016

I totally get why you can do a throw away remark like that and not think that people will look at it sideways. The first time I was nearly drowned. Another time I fell out of a tree. I got kicked in the head by a horse. I fell of the monkey bars got a concussion yeah that was my third. I got a forth in gym class once. I rode my bike into heavy traffic once well I was going down a steep hill and my brakes didn't work for some reason. I was woken up once and a burglar was in my house and I confronted him. I am pretty sure there were other times...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
31. Don't know. I know I will be voting no matter who is nominated.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

So I guess the answer is I will be walking down to my polling station like I always do and vote. I don't have to vote for Hilly at the top of the ticket I live in Minnesota which isn't a swing state and has voted Democrat for most if not all elections. So, that leaves me free to support all the Dems down ticket. So, I guess my answer is wait and see what's nominated for all the other parties to decide who I vote for at the top of the ticket.

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