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GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:43 AM Apr 2016

X-post: For people wishing Bernie had run as an Indy, I can tell you a major reason why he didn't.

Last edited Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:24 AM - Edit history (1)

Assuming this started as a protest candidacy, running as a Dem guaranteed him something one cannot generally get outside of the Big Two parties: exposure. If sharing his ideas and ideals were the ultimate goal rather than the Oval Office, then making sure he was able to get on TV and noticed by other media was paramount.

I can tell you from years of being a Green that being marginalized by the media and shut out of the public debate are both idea and candidacy killers. The media won't cover you if you are an unknown, and you will remain an unknown if the media hasn't covered you. A vicious cycle, indeed. Fortunately the Internet is starting to making an end run around this problem, but until the vast majority of the electorate are tuned into the Intertubes Political Dialogue, the old media empire will still play the role of King (or Queen) maker.

So Bernie is now a victim of his own success. His message got out and resonated with many more voters than initially expected, but perhaps didn't get enough votes* to actually take the White House. But believe me, in the end the message and movement are on their way, and that means a lot more than another Indy protest run that barely rates a footnote. The ground is ripening for those future progressive seeds to take root outside of the old system.

*In the interest of full disclosure, I absolutely believe Bernie received far more votes than have been accounted for.

Editing to add a further thought, again assuming this began as a protest campaign, he would have been considering the fact that he would need to work with Dems in the Senate afterward.

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. In its zeal for Hillary, the Democratic Party shot itself in the face and both feet, IMO.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

And corporate media exposed itself as a corrupt propaganda tool of a corrupt establishment.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
9. Bernie won when it was so obvious to everyone that the media was intentionally not
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

covering him and when the media showed thousands at his rallies and a handful at HRC get togethers. Even the most rabid anti Bernie person had to see the lines of kids standing in the snow waiting to vote and then finding out that somehow HRC won.

There will be changes at some time.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
3. I'm no strategist and maybe just cynical
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

but I was a registered Green at one time and my reaction to Jill Stein's letter to Bernie was - just to get exposure for them because a lot of people know Bernie now. I don't see the Greens getting anywhere in my lifetime. I registered as a Dem to vote for Bernie - going to switch to Indy.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
5. It was partly about exposure, but I bet it was also a genuine offer. I left the party of my
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

preference because I finally saw another candidate worthy of my vote elsewhere. I do wish he would accept being on their ballot now, but even after all the hijinx from the Clinton side of things, he is a man of his word and I do not think he would run anywhere but on the Dem ticket.

I am most likely going to back to the Greens after this, if it looks like the dems are still going to try and kill the progressive revolution off.

BerninInBama

(27 posts)
7. Will be doing everything I can
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

to make sure he gets the Democratic nomination.

But IF he doesn't, then I hope his strong sense of morality will obligate him to join the Green Party ticket or to do something that will get him on the ballot in November. Without him as our next president, we will not have a future worth living in. He is our only hope and the time is NOW.



GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
8. If we had ranked voting, or two strong conservative candidates running, he might have. But I find it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

unlikely outside of those two scenarios. If he lost, we could wind up with Trump, and he might not be as useful back in the Senate if his colleagues are pissed at him. (I desperately hate our election system, but the Big Two are not going to change it if it will hurt their ability to corner power/money.)

TBF

(32,060 posts)
4. You're falling into the trap
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:58 AM
Apr 2016

with your comment "but perhaps didn't get enough votes". This is why we lose - folks fall for the lies. There are only a few hundred delegates separating the candidates and she needs over 700 to lock this before convention. She's not there yet. Don't give away the farm.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
6. Hence the use of the word "perhaps" and the footnote. I know he is still in this, assuming
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:04 AM
Apr 2016

the other side can't cheat their way to "victory." My only point was to share my thoughts on why he ran as a Dem.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
10. Yes I agree with your OP -
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

it made perfect sense. We didn't know they'd blatantly cheat although I guess we should've guessed.

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