I refuse to play the "lesser of two evils" thing anymore when genuine damage to our People, the planet, and the world are the result.

gotta stick together.

No one that hires David Brock to do their dirty work deserves my vote

They're intentionally trying to goad you and push your buttons. They're only here because they fear our voices. Don't let them silence you.

On DU, I know the score. When I am getting this from "liberal" friends it becomes a whole other story.

the only person I'm getting this from is my son (of all people). Disappointing to say the least.

His salary is slightly above "working poor". He is however married to a woman who stands to inherit a few million. Her father has the attitude that he doesn't care who's in charge, as long as he can avoid paying income taxes. I believe being around that way of thinking has skewed his perception. He didn't used to be that way.

Most people I know think Hillary will be the final nail in the Democratic coffin.

or people who care... about each other and the planet we share, vs those who don't. Currently both groups inhabit the Democratic™ party.

the RW

of course that accidentally ends up requiring a massive left-right horseshoe-thesis conspiracy that covers InTheseTimes, NYT, WaPo, McClatchy, Reuters, AP, El Tiempo, DailyKos, CommonDreams, HuffPo, The Nation, The Atlantic, Harper's, The Guardian, The New Statesman, USNWR, Time, Newsweek, Frankfurter Allgemeine, Le Monde, Süddeutsche Zeitung, CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS

it's the same dilemma the neocons faced: either the KGB had suborned every church, party, newspaper, university, publisher, corporation, and TV network on the planet, or they were wrong about something

The person who I was having this interaction with said that he bases his views solely on "facts". I pointed out a few "facts" like IWR, Libya, her anti-LGBT stands, flip-flopping on various issues, her deep financial ties to Wall Street but there was always a rationalization given.

wasn't really her fault

LIE

Or with people who don't want to hear.

I was listening to the new version of "The Sound of Silence" the other day (by Disturbed. It's fabulous); and was astonished at how prescient Simon was when he wrote the lyrics.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening . . .

It is haunting.

Bernie apparently made me a man under the age of 30, that apparently didn't go to college and is unable to do research or think for myself. Also, I'm a sucker for donating. Apparently I should leave that to corporations, because they have no political sway when they give to our candidates.

You're going to have to let it roll, because those people are literally batshit, and little more. I'm not sure if they are legitimately sincere at all, or just very bad at trolling. Either way, they have no control over you - nor I. And have no sway over your voice or your vote come fall. You are you, I am me - and they are simply irrelevant. We know we've done our due diligence, have faith in that.

There's a very disturbing trend that many refuse to acknowledge. We've seen it unfold in the clintons, and as much as I loved Obama - I've become very disheartened by his actions as well. And now I have to read this - does it sound familiar? http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/barack-obama-readies-final-tpp-push-which-could-benefit-presidential-library

Library and donors and the TPP...................the professionals creating more inequality, and blaming those that are not professionals like them

Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

put a stake in any thought from me that the Party would ever offer any genuine change willingly. Just like all corrupted Power, they will do everything they can to maintain that control, by any means necessary.

I, too, was surprised to find I was a politically naive "Bro".

At some point in the very near future, I will take a great deal of pleasure and yet none at all at saying, "I told you so."

They are so eager to see Bernie supporter as a brash young male bully and so easily offended when none is intended that they give feminism a bad name. I also get a whiff of group narcissism.

lol -- it just hit me how weird some of her supporters are!

The ibtimes story about Obama & the TPP is depressing. I've always liked him. I think he is a much better person than Hill, but his need to impress (or mollify?) TPTB is such a failing, if only he could see it.

Another thing that worries me about this is that it could make him not want Bernie to win b/c Bernie would fight TPP. And if he doesn't want Bernie to win, he might resist the FBI indictment. Yet, some of us are sure he dislikes Hill.

It's so complicated.

Losing made many of them disappear. Unfortunately this time it looks like we are going to have to put up with them until November.

Honk-------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

I think that when they got rid of the kicking donkey and went for that lame D circle logo it really said a lot about the Party.

Here's to ass-kickin' donkeys!

team under the DWS, just put a blue and white target ..............

Yeah, enjoy one or two on me also......................




Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Do not seek understanding from people who do not wish to understand.

Progressives don't agree with them on any issues.

It's the Third Way.

Third Way is Wrong Way.

Kind of hard to out on "ignore". Sigh.

you have my deepest sympathy

list some of Hill's behaviors that most bother you and then explain that you hold presidential candidates to certain standards and Hill falls way short of those standards? Maybe do it when you're feeling calm and centered and say it slowly and steadily while remaining pleasant?

Maybe that way she'd at least give you the respect you deserve for holding your own opinion. And maybe she'd stop to think?

Hope it works out, HHNF.

am in favor of Medicare For All, public schools, free public colleges, massive Pentagon cuts, huge Social Security expansion, 6 months guaranteed family leave, and a $15 minimum wage, and against fracking, capital punishment, for profit prisons, for profit healthcare, endless war and regime change, and signing "trade" deals that invalidate our laws. In what way does this sound like a Republican?

Yes, Hillary's lying and flip-flopping every time the wind changes also dissuade me from voting for her, but her stances on the issues are IMO completely off-putting.

It baffles me. Do those people never actually look at what Hillary has done, and not done.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

mottoes have become "kick their ass and take their gas," "drill here drill now," "let him die"

And objecting to her many obvious conflicts-of-interest is mysogenistic.

I have genuine reasons for not supporting Hillary, thank you very much.

I hear you.

They simply want to condescend and/or outright dismiss.

Its incredibly destructive here.

I believe they are really trying to force Bernie supporters off. There's no other explanation. Skinner won't put down the ban hammer (controversy=clicks=$$) so they're doing it themselves.

It sucks.

Ugly campaign tactics from an ugly campaign.

I believe our viewpoints need to be seen "out there," so if we can just find ways to make it bearable -- like get in there with an OP or several recommendations, some positive comments on good OPs, or quick rebuttals of bullshit -- and then get out of there.

Or whatever works...

just makes me stronger, I'm a stubborn SOB

It's so divided here, there are often two completely different conversations happening on threads since they are ignoring each other. It's become quite bizarre.

Solidarity

I live in the stupidest state in the nation and am surrounded by Hillary-supporters particularly at church. One lady told me she didn't care how much money Hillary has accepted from banks/corporations. Really? So having a woman president is far more important than getting money out of politics, paying workers a living wage, protecting the environment, avoiding job-killing trade deals, avoiding unnecessary wars, and guaranteeing health care as right?

I've lost tons of respect for people who I once thought were intelligent and caring. My contempt for the American electorate is so high that I will be unable to remain in this country if Bernie is not the next President.

Hear ya. Sometimes it is good to go take the dog for a walk. We have reached a stage where a lot of minds have hardened. It hurts.

... to take what it gives them and like it!

More specifically, they have been conditioned to believe in the democratic party and to believe that it is everything that is good and right. It's a matter of faith. The problem, of course, is that someone with none of the beliefs can come in, diddle the kids, and everyone will ignore it because of their faith. With The Party, we've got people who suck up to corporations, pass laws that hurt people, start wars but too man people won't acknowledge that it even happens.

against Hillary, all of them from a Progressive not a Republican point of view.

And RWers are authoritarians, who want to 'bring us to heel' by bullying and intimidation. Fuck 'em. The Third Way corporatists have more in common with Republicans than they do with us. They've already said they don't need us, and made it clear we're the enemy. So I see no reason to get in line to support their agenda to further line the pockets of the wealthy and increase austerity for the working class.

But I finally sat down and talked to her for an hour and sent her the articles on the Hillary camp with the Bernie Bro smear they started and the racist attacks on Obama. She now hopes Hillary will e indicted so she doesn't have to vote for her. For a family from Arkansas that supported the Clintons blindly for decades, I would say it was not the GOP that stopped them, it was the race baiting and attacks on her son that made her see Hillary for the horrible person she is. We all love Ian Richardson's character from House of Cards...but in real life Francis would be a horrible person...and that is what some of us are realizing.

Cripes, can't Clinton supporters come up with anything original to say, or do they just endlessly bleat whatever Correct the Record feeds them?

In 2012 he said that black people who voted Democratic were "brainwashed". Very old and tired slam.

as with the personality cultists around here.

It's a shame what has happened to this place.

There was a time when DU was a place to get a real education in politics and current events. Now it's essentially a gory car wreck--you know you shouldn't look but it's hard not to.

He ran as an FDR dem then went total rw on most of it. My wife and I went green for a long time after that till we moved to Idaho and went back to being dems which in Idaho is the same as being Green party in most eyes.....

cause you to lose your self-regard, don't do it.

However, stating it is going to utterly infuriate the candidate's supporters. Both reactions are understandable.

If we want to unite again in pursuit of our goals, there are some things about which we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Being told to vote Hillary because I am a woman does make my eyes roll like that girl's in "The Exorcist", so you have my sympathy and understanding. There are a lot of us in the same boat here, if it helps.

I like an “ignore” feature when such an option is available.

in tandem with the GOP, have done to society.

Additionally you can use it as an opportunity to add to your collection of the "fully ignored".

Did you really think you could get them to change their minds?
If you want to have a conversation try going to
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich or
http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

read insults from 'friends' on FB so I pretty much stopped commenting, pretty much like here. I no longer see the point in arguing. It's too late in the game to change anyone's mind imo; my life is a lot more peaceful.

I've recently convinced 3 Republican women into voting for the Dem Pres candidate. (an easy thing to accomplish)
We can "pass the vote forward" or find our own proxy and walk away from the top of the ticket with a clear conscience.

(and excuse the phrasing) that you're stupid. Fuck them. Fuck them all!!

I am not normally a violent person but I can understand the wanting to "throat punch" somone too.

Every Clinton supporter is just as selfish as every W supporter. Most of them have benefited at the expense of the rest of us.

I will no longer help the Democratic Party as it becomes as evil as.