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Be wary about Guccifer without substantiation....remember Dan Rather. (Original Post) grasswire May 2016 OP
I'll second that mooseprime May 2016 #1
According to NBC... Scootaloo May 2016 #2
Step 1 when you hack something: jeff47 May 2016 #5
The lack of evidence of hacking says little, however, Maedhros May 2016 #6
Actually, they're pretty talented now. Fawke Em May 2016 #31
We need to just sit back and see how this whole thing unfolds Plucketeer May 2016 #3
Good point, Thanks Mbrow May 2016 #4
Yep, smells like a ratfuck yodermon May 2016 #7
100x agreed. Proceed with caution. nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #8
I only share what was in the national media, and do so without comment. silvershadow May 2016 #9
I agree inre caution. HooptieWagon May 2016 #10
yes, of course grasswire May 2016 #13
link? jhart3333 May 2016 #14
for what? nt grasswire May 2016 #15
He says he has 2 gb of info that's too hot to release. National security info. jhart3333 May 2016 #22
I missed something! Who is Guccifer? And what did he/she do? in_cog_ni_to May 2016 #11
Guccier is the Romanian hacker who discovered HRC's... grasswire May 2016 #12
Okay...thanks! I knew about the hacker, but didn't know his name. in_cog_ni_to May 2016 #16
agree, and it is a potential trap; if it's w/o merit, it actually helps amborin May 2016 #17
think you should x post this in GDP amborin May 2016 #18
I posted it here so it wouldn't get cluttered up with their junk. grasswire May 2016 #20
yes, a perfect ambush right now. grasswire May 2016 #21
I think he's telling the truth Holly_Hobby May 2016 #19
I definitely don't like walking around on eggshells here. jhart3333 May 2016 #23
you are saying that you don't like not being able to speak freely? grasswire May 2016 #24
Correct jhart3333 May 2016 #25
well, the owner here has a family member with tie to Hillary. grasswire May 2016 #29
I have a couple problems with jackpineradicals: jhart3333 May 2016 #35
Just for the record, Dan Rather's story was true. merrily May 2016 #26
yes, I know grasswire May 2016 #30
Thankfully, unlike Rather the State Dept, CIA and NSA have confirmed that her server leveymg May 2016 #27
Correct. Fawke Em May 2016 #32
If true, official servers would be in every bit as much danger n/t eridani May 2016 #28
Not the servers that hold classified material. Fawke Em May 2016 #33
Guccifer establishes probable cause and basis unc70 May 2016 #34

mooseprime

(474 posts)
1. I'll second that
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

the first reports of breaking news so often contain inaccuracies.

i'm already exhausted from the clinton presidency and it hasn't even happened yet. 4 years of wall-to-wall clinton coverage would beat us all into a coma.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. According to NBC...
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016
When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything on-line supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI's review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.


Sounds like a dude trying to use his ass to play trumpet to me.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Step 1 when you hack something:
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

Remove the evidence of your intrusion from the logs.

The lack of log entries doesn't really indicate anything.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. The lack of evidence of hacking says little, however,
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:48 PM
May 2016

Chances are that Guccifer is far more talented than the FBI's computer forensics people.

However it is wise to exercise extreme caution when assessing Guccifer's allegations.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
31. Actually, they're pretty talented now.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:55 AM
May 2016

I know because my company has helped train them.

But, that aside, the FBI has not said they couldn't find evidence. If you read the sentence carefully, you'll see that the statement was unattributed.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
3. We need to just sit back and see how this whole thing unfolds
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

Let the FBI do their job and react only once we get solid, certified results.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. I agree inre caution.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:46 PM
May 2016

But the hacker is only a sidebar. The FBI will likely be able to determine if he hacker her computer. He's already been charged with computer crimes.
The main issue remains her handling of classified information, whether or not the Romainian guy hacked into it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
13. yes, of course
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

Unless he was able to access a whole boatload of classifed info kept in folders somewhere. He says he has 2 gb of info that's too hot to release. National security info.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
22. He says he has 2 gb of info that's too hot to release. National security info.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
May 2016

No worries. I trust you. Just wondering.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
12. Guccier is the Romanian hacker who discovered HRC's...
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

...emails with Sidney Blumenthal that she had not turned over to investigators. Tonight there is an interview with him from his jail cell in Virginia, with lots of detail on how he hacked and so on. We just need to be careful and not get caught in a trap if there is one by jumping the gun on this guy.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
17. agree, and it is a potential trap; if it's w/o merit, it actually helps
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

HRC claim she's once again a victim of baseless smears

and it can muddy the real investigation which should sink her independently of any potential hacking

the quid pro quo at State, evading FOIA, etc. is enough

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
20. I posted it here so it wouldn't get cluttered up with their junk.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

I may do so, but feel free to post a similar msg there if you want to.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
23. I definitely don't like walking around on eggshells here.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

Looking for another place to hang out. Thinking I might have to make it.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
25. Correct
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

ETA: I understand that this is a site run by a private individual and whatever he say goes. I just don't think it's appropriate for a venue like this. This site and DKOS have been getting pretty unpleasant because of the owners bringing the hammer down on people being able to speak freely. I think it needs another model. Not where one person with certain political leanings has absolute control and uses it as a revenue stream.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. well, the owner here has a family member with tie to Hillary.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:31 AM
May 2016

So there's that.

If you build it, people will come.

You might also like to check out jackpineradicals.com, started by some disaffected members from here.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
35. I have a couple problems with jackpineradicals:
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:01 AM
May 2016

Required fealty to Bernie is a no go. I'm all in but I would rather it be a more open progressive site. Also their software framework is restrictive and unwieldy. And it's in private hands. A membership sponsored organization with a mission statement and a board running things is what I'm looking for.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Just for the record, Dan Rather's story was true.
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

That has nothing to do with this, though.

I find that message board posters don't want to wait a minute and a half to see how a story develops--or doesn't.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. Thankfully, unlike Rather the State Dept, CIA and NSA have confirmed that her server
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

actually contains unauthorized classified information. A lot of it. The law doesn't require a showing of actual harm to Nat'l security to convict under Sec 793 (e) and (f). So Guccifer's claim is icing. Don't sweat this one.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
32. Correct.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:59 AM
May 2016

Guccifer's comment means two things:

1. She mishandled national security data so carelessly that it could be accessed, making it easier to prove in court.
2. It's an easier story to follow, so now maybe media members other than right-wing sources will start paying attention to the seriousness of this case.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
33. Not the servers that hold classified material.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

SIPRnet and JWICS are closed-loop systems. They don't face the outside and you can't email into or out of them. They are also monitored by a team of data security experts. I'm not saying they could never be hacked, but it's less likely than .gov sites.

Dot gov sites have to face the public since they work with the public and those have been hacked, unfortunately. But there was no risk of national security data being released. Sadly, the people who suffered dot gov hacks have been employees who had their personal information accessed.

unc70

(6,119 posts)
34. Guccifer establishes probable cause and basis
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:42 AM
May 2016

At a minimum, Guccifer provides the basis for probable cause in establishing the case against Blumenthal, and through it to charges related to Clinton's email, server, etc. You need Guccifer to testify to directly provide the basis to introduce his emails into evidence in a possible criminal case.

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