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Why DWS doesn't want Independents voting in primaries-in one chart (Original Post) Triana May 2016 OP
K&R nt TBF May 2016 #1
LobbyWOW! – It’s Like A Bribe, But 100% Legal! Donkees May 2016 #2
The parties have always been clubs that liked to play with themselves until the Super Bowl LiberalArkie May 2016 #3
"Independents" enlightenment May 2016 #7
I agree, they like to believe that it is all about them. But they generally do control LiberalArkie May 2016 #8
One can only hope. enlightenment May 2016 #9
Yipes. I didn't think there is a chance that trump could win. This chart is a little scary. Doctor_J May 2016 #4
Yup. Iwillnevergiveup May 2016 #5
Which is fine in the primaries nxylas May 2016 #6
K&R nt silvershadow May 2016 #10
so she'd rather lose the GE? dana_b May 2016 #11
Looks that way. Fawke Em May 2016 #12

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
3. The parties have always been clubs that liked to play with themselves until the Super Bowl
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

came around every 4 years in November.

As much as I hate to say it DWS is right about the Independents coming into "Our Party" and trying to influence "our decisions". But saying that, I don't see any reason why she should expect to see independents to vote for her party in November. There really should be a powerful third or fourth party for independents to vote in. Maybe after we are fully into the Trump presidency some decisions can be made of how better to handle the party system.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
7. "Independents"
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

have always influenced the decisions. It is incredibly common (I've been doing it for 40 years) to change affiliation to vote in a closed primary election. If it's an open primary, no one asks questions.

This has only become an issue for the "Party" because DWS made it one.

It is patently absurd that two powerful private entities control the process of nominating who will run for President.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
8. I agree, they like to believe that it is all about them. But they generally do control
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

who runs for president. The tea party could not get a libertarian elected so they took over the Republican party. In the past you used to have to show your party membership card to vote in the primaries in some states. In Arkansas teachers and state government workers would be fired if they did not vote for Faubus in the Democratic primary. It was paper ballots then so they could just look and see.

The system sucks, but I doubt it will ever be changed.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
9. One can only hope.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

We are not tied to this system - it is a combination of grasping power mongers and the ennui of the average voter that keeps the parties front and center, not anything official.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. Yipes. I didn't think there is a chance that trump could win. This chart is a little scary.
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

I would guess that Hillary will get a lot of votes from conservative republicans though. Charles Koch has endorsed Clinton, and many conservative publications as well. Murdoch and bezos and TNR and most of the rags that pander to rich republicans will prefer Clinton over trump.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
6. Which is fine in the primaries
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

Unfortunately for DWS, she can't stop independents voting in the general.

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