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deepestblue

(349 posts)
4. Corporatists through and through, but we already knew that
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:54 AM
May 2016

I do admire and respect the Prez however as TYT mentioned the other day he is the only prez in history to enter and exit his term with the U.S. at war. I believe this includes one-term presidents.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
5. He not only fully supports it, he's been working on it for years.
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:01 AM
May 2016

There have been leaks for a long, long time but the negotiations were essentially secret. I believe that passing the TPP was one of the more important missions that Obama was asked to accomplish during his presidency. I won't vote for any candidate in the general election who will ratify that agreement upon becoming president.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. I hope there was never any doubt.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

I believe Obama will be pitching this feverishly, so that it is a fait accompli and Hillary can lie, with her very special version of complete conviction, about how bad it is, but that her hands are tied, 'cause it happened under Obama's watch.

This is the globalization of low wages, unaffordable medicine, and loss of public commons.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tragedy-of-the-commons.asp

What is the 'Tragedy Of The Commons'
The tragedy of the commons is an economic problem in which every individual tries to reap the greatest benefit from a given resource. As the demand for the resource overwhelms the supply, every individual who consumes an additional unit directly harms others who can no longer enjoy the benefits. Generally, the resource of interest is easily available to all individuals; the tragedy of the commons occurs when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain.


IMO we will see the global privatization of water. And pretty much everything else.

I will not be voting for anyone who voted for Fast Track, who shilled for Fast Track, or who votes for any of these new "trade" agreements, or who shilled/shills for them. No matter how Hillary lies about her support for the TPP, she shilled for it as enthusiastically as she shilled for Bush and the war in Iraq. If she thought those things were good things, she has very bad judgement, and if she did not know they were bad things - she has very bad judgement. If she knew they were bad things and shilled - enthusiastically, and at length! - anyway, than she is reprehensible.

when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain


That pretty much covers it, in my opinion. One candidate enables this, and the other candidate fights against it. I will not support an enabler. Period. When did "for the good of the Party (no matter the harm to the people)" become more important than "for the good of the people"? Even if it has been that way for many years, I will not be enabling it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. TPP is a weapon of empire. So, of course, it's promoted
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

China, you see, is moving to dominate the economies of Asia through trade, thus rising to status of competitive, controlling, empire in all realms of national activity.

The goal of TPP is to thwart that through trade alliances. It's an old game still played with enthusiasm.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
9. TPP frees the capital from countries' boundaries, such as they are. A free capital = maelstrom of
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

human destruction.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
10. it hurt my ears and
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:54 AM
May 2016

my heart for another struggling country's poor and the loss of more jobs for americans.

this is why 2016 is probably the most important election - ever. the outcome will drastically determine the future of our country, the world and the PLANET - one way or another.

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