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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:13 PM May 2016

First "Shocking" Deposition In Clinton Email Case Reveals She Did Not Use A Password

U.S. Ambassador Lewis Lukens’s sworn testimony in the case of Hillary Clinton’s privatization of the U.S. Secretary of State’s email is the first evidence to be released in the Clinton email cases, and it was published on May 26th at the website of Judicial Watch, the organization that originally brought the suit. Headlining "First Deposition Testimony from Clinton Email Discovery Released”, it reported that:

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He was asked about the inconvenience of the State Department’s passwords system, and he said that he eliminated her need for any passwords:

A: She wouldn’t have had a password.
Q: So the computer would have just been open and be able to use without going through any security features?
A: Correct.


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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-27/first-shocking-deposition-clinton-email-case-reveals-she-did-not-use-password

NOTE: There is a PDF of the testimony at the end of the article.
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First "Shocking" Deposition In Clinton Email Case Reveals She Did Not Use A Password (Original Post) LiberalArkie May 2016 OP
This keeps getting worse. nt Gore1FL May 2016 #1
I'm just sitting here dumbstruck NJCher May 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalElite May 2016 #43
Oh my. What would that be the death penalty? doc03 May 2016 #3
Yes, the death penalty for someone! Shemp Howard May 2016 #18
... TDale313 May 2016 #4
Don't Get It pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
she had no password on her server. it was an open door. Even Assad had one on his: 123abc roguevalley May 2016 #10
This testimony pmorlan1 May 2016 #15
But there's more. Shemp Howard May 2016 #19
The story linked to in the OP pmorlan1 May 2016 #22
This just gets weirder localroger May 2016 #30
Is that better? tazkcmo May 2016 #20
Is what better? pmorlan1 May 2016 #24
this goes beyond just 'poor judgment' - this is malpractice tomm2thumbs May 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #7
You're wrong on this one pmorlan1 May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #32
My thought pmorlan1 May 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #36
Don't Know pmorlan1 May 2016 #37
Who does she think she is, Richard Stallman? n/t PoliticAverse May 2016 #8
that's hilarious! NJCher May 2016 #42
She refused to accept that computer. Cicada May 2016 #9
I posted the same thing pmorlan1 May 2016 #13
That is correct. tazkcmo May 2016 #21
I find this hard to believe... MonkeyChamp May 2016 #11
THIS IS NOT THE SERVER. It's the desktop machine they offered to set up for winter is coming May 2016 #12
Correct. A machine just sitting out in the open to access all the emails outside LiberalArkie May 2016 #16
Much ado about nothing pmorlan1 May 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #23
Nope pmorlan1 May 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #26
Well, sorta.... Bob41213 May 2016 #27
I won't be surprised pmorlan1 May 2016 #29
Well darn it passwords are hard! Silver_Witch May 2016 #28
hey our digital diva NJCher May 2016 #40
Totally Agree!!! Silver_Witch May 2016 #41
OMG! Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #33
at least that LiberalElite May 2016 #44
That's something that will puzzle/alarm even the least tech savvy Babel_17 May 2016 #35
The revelations just keep coming don't they. nt thereismore May 2016 #38
Debate Bayard May 2016 #39

NJCher

(35,688 posts)
2. I'm just sitting here dumbstruck
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

What can you say to this incredible level of naivete combined with arrogance?

So now we have yet another reason this person should not be a presidential candidate. We are in the digital age and she knows nothing about it. Her ignorance is dangerous to all of us.

And when I think of the expense our government has gone to in protecting state secret--and how she disregarded it!

Everytime I see her on TV she defends herself, "Well, so and so did it and so did so and so." I just want to slap her. That's the kind of argument you get from a sixth grader.


Cher

Response to NJCher (Reply #2)

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
18. Yes, the death penalty for someone!
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:05 PM
May 2016

If a foreign entity hacked Hillary's emails because there was no password, and then discovered the name of a US asset, yes, there would be the death penalty.

Because that asset would be hacked to death in some back alley somewhere, or dragged to some prison basement and then shot in the back of the head.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
5. Don't Get It
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

Ok somebody help me here. She didn't use the State Dept. computer so not having a password means nothing. If she used the computer and it had no password that would be a wow moment. But it's my understanding that she didn't use a State Dept. computer. Am I wrong about this?

EDIT: I just found my answer in the actual deposition.

Was this computer set up, ultimately set

up?

A No.

Q Do you know why it wasn't set up?

A I don't know why.


So not having a password means nothing because this computer was never set up and she never used it.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
15. This testimony
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

is not about her server. It's about a State Dept. computer that was offered to her but was NEVER set up and NEVER used.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
19. But there's more.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

From the original article:

"As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton never used a password to protect her computer emails, and she was clueless about how regular emails work on a conventional computer, according to a deposition of a foreign service officer at the State Department."

So what's going on here? Evidently, a computer was offered, but that offer was declined. What about Hillary's other computers? Were they password-protected? The article implies that the answer to that question is no.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
22. The story linked to in the OP
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016

is wrong. She never used the State Dept. computer so not having a password is meaningless. Implying that she didn't use a password on other computers is not EVIDENCE it's supposition. The Clinton server in her home, mishandling classified emails, not complying with FOIA and the FBI investigation are all serious issues deserving of discussion. But having obvious non-facts interjected into the conversation only muddies the waters.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
30. This just gets weirder
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

So she was clueless about emails and declined the use of the computer provided for her, but she had her own email server? How does someone who's clueless about emails end up with their own email server in a closet? That makes no sense.

Not a Bern or die kind of guy myself, but this is really stranger than I expected.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #14)

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
34. My thought
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

I think the fact that the State Dept. computer was offered with no password shows that she was offered a computer that would certainly be convenient to use. Perhaps they are trying to show that even though she was offered this convenient to use computer she rejected it and chose to have her own server at home. I don't know if this is where the attorneys are going but this would be my guess?

Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #34)

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
9. She refused to accept that computer.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

Maybe on DU we should double check claims from Fox news. The actual testimony was that she was offered a desktop computer which did not require a password. BUT SHE TURNED IT DOWN!

MonkeyChamp

(9 posts)
11. I find this hard to believe...
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

If this is true that there was NO security at all to access her email she should be in jail. However, I find it hard to believe there wasn't some security to hit the networkserver where the email was. I work in IT and have set up an email server on a server that was exposed to the internet. To access the server you needed a Password to get on the box itself. After I was on the box (through that security access point) I could then go into the email account and email server without needing a second password. So, I sure hope HRC had something like that...otherwise, wow. I'll be following this story for sure!

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. THIS IS NOT THE SERVER. It's the desktop machine they offered to set up for
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

her at State. She was Not Happy about not being allowed to take her BlackBerry into a secure area (at State), so they offered to set up a desktop machine for her to handle email. That's the machine they were talking about having no password. Still pretty amazing to me, but it's not the server.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
16. Correct. A machine just sitting out in the open to access all the emails outside
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

the state.gov firewall and on the internet.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
17. Much ado about nothing
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

But she never used that computer because it was never set up. Offered? Yes. Set up? NO

Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #17)

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
25. Nope
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

This isn't about her server. This was the one that they offered to her at State but she didn't want a computer at State. She wanted her own server at home.

Response to pmorlan1 (Reply #25)

Bob41213

(491 posts)
27. Well, sorta....
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

Obviously she never set it up, so I agree you this is moot here.

It's perplexing moreso that the State Dept would offer this up to her. They're foolish to allow this here. It also speaks to how much clout she has that they'd suspend common sense security to make things convenient for her.

It also speaks to what we can expect from her. How tough do you think her email password was on clintonmail? Are you going to be surprised if she ignored security protocols with her blackberry?

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
29. I won't be surprised
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

if she ignored security protocols on her blackberry because I've already read stories that talk about her doing just that.

Yes, it is stunning that they would offer her a computer at State with NO password protect. That's crazy. But as crazy as that was what she actually did with the home server was crazier.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
28. Well darn it passwords are hard!
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

You don't expect Hillary Rodham Clinton to have to remember a bunch of silly passwords do you. So inconvenient and terribly trying on a person.

Come on now!

NJCher

(35,688 posts)
40. hey our digital diva
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

can't keep all her lies straight, let alone those cussed passwords.

It's all just too much for a Goldwater girl.

Cher

Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #31)

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
44. at least that
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

alarming communication at "3:00 a.m." will come via telephone. It rings. You pick up the receiver and say "Hello?" Simple.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
35. That's something that will puzzle/alarm even the least tech savvy
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:49 PM
May 2016

The framing of it being from sworn testimony lends it some extra "gasp" factor.

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