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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:10 AM Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders exposes Hillary’s socialist views

Be prepared for more of this...

http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/richard-greene/article26198110.html

It’s that socialist label he wears so proudly that produces a roar from his throngs of followers, all excited about going after those people with money Sanders says they shouldn’t have.

He extols government bent on initiatives such a redistributing wealth — tax schemes to take from those who have and give to those who don’t — and confiscating the means of production, as in universal healthcare.

Cheers from the multitudes drown out the wisdom of history’s great leaders like Winston Churchill:

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

Regardless of socialism’s failure every time it has been tried, Sanders wants to make the United States its latest victim.


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Bernie Sanders exposes Hillary’s socialist views (Original Post) antigop Jul 2015 OP
She's a capitalist, she's a socialist she's this she's that liberal N proud Jul 2015 #1
So much bullshit in just one column... The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #2
yep. But there will be more like this...count on it. nt antigop Jul 2015 #3
Great, and are you going to bring us every single TBF Jul 2015 #5
Sanders supporters need to be on the lookout for these types of pieces in their local papers to antigop Jul 2015 #7
So a capitalist from Arlington, TX (appointee of Bush no less) doesn't like socialism? TBF Jul 2015 #4
because people have to be on the lookout for these pieces so they can respond with LTTE. antigop Jul 2015 #6
... TBF Jul 2015 #8
LTTEs are a way to fight the media that publishes cr*p like this. nt antigop Jul 2015 #9
I'm not buying it. TBF Jul 2015 #10
if you took a look at my posts on DU, you will find that I DO NOT WANT Hillary. nt antigop Jul 2015 #11
I didn't say you did. nt TBF Jul 2015 #17
I have published quite a few LTTEs in my day. It's an effective way to get something into the antigop Jul 2015 #12
I got the "anti Bernie" point of the column immediately. SoapBox Jul 2015 #13
yes, exactly! Thank you! antigop Jul 2015 #14
the "anti Bernie" point of the column... antigop Jul 2015 #15
OK, if you'd like to write LTTEs that's fine - TBF Jul 2015 #20
if people don't even read local papers, then why does the rightwing invest so much time antigop Jul 2015 #27
I don't know that they do - TBF Jul 2015 #29
I'm not buying that you could possibly be all that bothered by what is Schema Thing Jul 2015 #16
The red-baiting in the article is clear - TBF Jul 2015 #19
ltte's are a way of "passing along pro-Bernie information" to the readers of the paper. nt antigop Jul 2015 #28
I understand the concept - TBF Jul 2015 #30
I'll take every vote we can get. nt antigop Jul 2015 #32
This belongs in GDP not here IMO. L0oniX Jul 2015 #18
LOoniX, we need to write LTTEs to combat the cr*p that's printed. That's the point. nt antigop Jul 2015 #21
I disagree. I'm fed up with Democrats always playing defense when shit is thrown. L0oniX Jul 2015 #22
even DU'er H2O Man has suggested writing ltte's. antigop Jul 2015 #25
A DU2 journal? Really? L0oniX Jul 2015 #39
Winston Churchill's words were not wisdom. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #23
I don't know about Hillary but Churchill was talking about England - a country that has a single jwirr Jul 2015 #24
Universal health care? Depaysement Jul 2015 #26
It's a BS letter from some local paper in the TBF Jul 2015 #31
as mentioned above, ltte's are a tool in the activist toolbag. nt antigop Jul 2015 #33
Have you written your letter yet? TBF Jul 2015 #34
which one? I've written several. antigop Jul 2015 #35
The one in response to the OP you posted. nt TBF Jul 2015 #36
can't, according to the rules. antigop Jul 2015 #37
Well that sure is convenient. TBF Jul 2015 #38
thanks! hopemountain Jul 2015 #41
there are more powerful ways to hopemountain Jul 2015 #40
Papers still have wide circulation. I personally can reach a wider audience through a ltte than antigop Jul 2015 #42
You're ignoring what we're both writing - TBF Jul 2015 #43
I have a suggestion, how about we just ignore the garbage, there will be plenty of it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #44

TBF

(32,102 posts)
5. Great, and are you going to bring us every single
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jul 2015

piece of shit the republicans say? Because that's really not why I come to this group.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
7. Sanders supporters need to be on the lookout for these types of pieces in their local papers to
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jul 2015

respond with LTTEs.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
4. So a capitalist from Arlington, TX (appointee of Bush no less) doesn't like socialism?
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jul 2015

You don't say.

So, why did you bring this here? And don't tell me "be prepared this is what they're saying" because I already know this is what they say. This is what republicans/status quo say everyday.

It's also a bunch of BS. They will pull anything out of their asses to try to keep their individual wealth - even as the gap between the very wealthy and poor grows wider every day and we watch our middle class become a thing of the past.

It's really not the kind of crap I'd expect to see posted in a Bernie Sanders group. We are a group of folks who are open to closing that gap.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
10. I'm not buying it.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jul 2015

The media publishes crap like this every single day and twice on Sunday ... this is not some big news flash. This is republican theory 101.

What I don't appreciate is the backhanded way people bring this stuff into a protected group under the auspices of "oh help me debunk this". Yeah, right.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
12. I have published quite a few LTTEs in my day. It's an effective way to get something into the
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jul 2015

papers that the media won't report on.

This is a Bernie supporter forum, right?

The post is a CALL TO ARMS to get those LTTEs written.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
13. I got the "anti Bernie" point of the column immediately.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

Not sure why others didn't.

As you said, we must be prepared for this type of slime to be used against Bernie.

An avalanche of LTTE calling out such garbage, will show our support for Bernie.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
15. the "anti Bernie" point of the column...
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jul 2015

The excerpt I posted was all about Bernie being a socialist and wealth redistribution.

LTTEs can point out that yes we need wealth redistribution because the 1 percent are taking it all for themselves -- a point Bernie had repeatedly made on the campaign trail.

He wants a country that works for EVERYONE, not just the billionaires and corporate interests.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
20. OK, if you'd like to write LTTEs that's fine -
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jul 2015

go ahead. If you'd like to post them here for comment I'm sure that would be helpful.

I really wasn't under the impression anyone even read such local papers anymore. In my neighborhood they insist on delivering them and they lay in the street until people pick them up on trash day and throw them in their recycling bin.

But I am a younger generation (under 50) so that could be the disconnect here.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
27. if people don't even read local papers, then why does the rightwing invest so much time
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

writing cr*p like this and getting it published?

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
16. I'm not buying that you could possibly be all that bothered by what is
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jul 2015


and what is, is this article. Write a letter to the editor.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
19. The red-baiting in the article is clear -
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jul 2015

something we see every single day from the GOP and media in this country.

So, we have a poster putting it front and center in this protected group & asking us to write letters to the editor? Seriously?

How many of you have a local paper delivered and write letters to the editor?

I might buy this "technique" if the poster had posted the letter along with his rebuttal letter & perhaps asked for feedback or something like that. But that's not what happened here.

If you're so convinced a "letter to the editor" is needed, you write it.

I will continue to do what I think helps more - contributing directly to Bernie's campaign & passing along pro-Bernie information (as opposed to dumping anti-socialist crap in a protected group).

TBF

(32,102 posts)
30. I understand the concept -
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jul 2015

have you heard of Facebook, Twitter, Reddit? Bernie's team is doing an amazing job. He is reaching the younger generations just as Obama did. You're not getting the same bang for the buck with your letters.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
21. LOoniX, we need to write LTTEs to combat the cr*p that's printed. That's the point. nt
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jul 2015

eta:

Soapbox (reply #13) would agree.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
22. I disagree. I'm fed up with Democrats always playing defense when shit is thrown.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015

Repukes always do that and Dems always sucker to it. Repukes play offensive. It's about time Dems did it too.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. Winston Churchill's words were not wisdom.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jul 2015

No doubt he was speaking of the Soviet Union and Communist China anyway.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. I don't know about Hillary but Churchill was talking about England - a country that has a single
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jul 2015

payer health care program not matter who is elected and other so called "socialist" solutions today. Seems to me the author is missing the context when it comes to Churchill.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
31. It's a BS letter from some local paper in the
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jul 2015

suburbs of Dallas, TX ... it's nothing. I am still leery of why the OP even posted it here in this protected group. He insists he wants a letter writing campaign to refute it but that is something out of the 1970s. Bizarre.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
35. which one? I've written several.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jul 2015

It appears that you think I have some sort of hidden agenda, and for the life of me, I don't know why.

eta: Newspapers are still in business and I don't know why you are pooh-poohing the idea.

eta(2): Now if you don't want to write ltte's, that's your choice, but please don't discourage others from doing so.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
37. can't, according to the rules.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

Frequency: Writers are limited to one letter every 30 days.

Look, I don't know what your intent is, but I am not paid to post on DU all day.

If you don't want to write ltte's, that's your choice, but don't discourage others from doing so.

TBF

(32,102 posts)
38. Well that sure is convenient.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jul 2015

People can write whatever they want - I'm not stopping them.

But I will comment when people bring right-wing BS into a protected group - whether you like it or not.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
40. there are more powerful ways to
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jul 2015

garner support for bernie sanders than an llte. i suggest following Bernie's lead: focus on the truth, what bernie really says, and focus on progressive action.

personally, i would not waste my time responding to such ignorant ridiculous gibberish written in a manner so as to hit 2 birds with one stone. mr. greene tried to be clever in his attack on both hillary and bernie sanders only to pander to fort worth republicans.

your enthusiasm to rally bernie supporters is appreciated. however, more people are enthused presenting the offense rather than the defense. defensive actions in response to ignorant rants gets old real fast.

furher, i agree with the other poster here and question the value and the intent for posting this type of negative propaganda driven drivel in this group. we are adults here…and many of us have been around the block many times and after a time, certain patterns become obvious.

p.s. why aim and be happy for only one vote, antigop? presidential campaigns are not the same as christian campaigns (or any other religion) proselytizing to gain even just one new believer in order to gain a good seat in heaven next to their jesus, god, prophet, savior, redeemer, cult leader, etc..

and one more thing. you stated "a call to arms". i am offended with the use of this metaphor. we are not here to slay anything - bernie's campaign is to rebuild our democracy by progressing toward the future to better days for the middle class and the working poor, the unemployed, vets & disabled vets, families, students, and the marginalized ....

antigop

(12,778 posts)
42. Papers still have wide circulation. I personally can reach a wider audience through a ltte than
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:45 AM
Jul 2015

posting something on facebook.

I honestly do not know why people are pooh poohing the idea of writing ltte's.

eta:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/call%20to%20arms
CALL TO ARMS
Definition from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
a summons, invitation, or appeal to undertake a particular course of action <a political call to arms>

TBF

(32,102 posts)
43. You're ignoring what we're both writing -
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jul 2015

but I don't think anyone is fooled by this display.

Bernie is obviously the best candidate for president in 2016. The fact that the hard-core repugs in Dallas are worried this early is music to my ears. They should be worried. He can win this!!! Go Bernie!!!!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. I have a suggestion, how about we just ignore the garbage, there will be plenty of it
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

but why spread it around for them?

How about just focusing on the all the great things are happening. Nothing works like positive and RIGHT thinking.

I could not care less what the old oligarchs are putting out there, we should respond with the FACTS and not help them spread their garbage, but that's just my opinion.

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