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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:07 PM Jul 2015

Which campaign matters more: Bernie Sanders’s or Jill Stein’s?

Got this from one of my single payer listservs.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18142/holier-than-bernie

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), in a press release from his congressional office, likewise lauded the court’s “commonsense reading of the Affordable Care Act.” Then, Sanders said, “What the United States should do is join every other major nation and recognize that healthcare is a right of citizenship. A Medicare-for-all, singlepayer system would provide better care at less cost for more Americans.”

Therein lies the difference between Clinton and Sanders. She supports reforms within the narrow parameters of Washington liberalism. He seeks unapologetically progressive structural change.

Yet, the purist Left—and the Green Party and its socialist supporters in particular—opposes Sanders’s electoral ambitions. Jill Stein tossed her Green Party hat into the presidential race on June 22 during an appearance on Democracy Now! She admitted that she and Sanders share a similar vision, but explained that when she loses on Nov. 8, 2016, “that vision will not die, it will not be absorbed back into a party that is essentially hostile to that vision.” This begs the question: What has the Green Party and its “vision” accomplished in the 15 years since Ralph Nader’s 2000 campaign?

The Green Party and its supporters count talented writers and activists within their ranks (some of whom contribute to this magazine), but their theory of national electoral politics is as defective as their understanding of the long and discouraging history of third-party campaigns. The Green Party motto appears to be: “If at first you don’t succeed, keep doing exactly the same thing.”

In our electoral system, third-party presidential campaigns do not challenge the bipartisan neoliberal establishment. On the contrary, such quadrennial rituals only reinforce the political impotence of the Left, while preserving the purity of the third-party voter. The fact that Sanders is attracting massive crowds in the early primary states is far more unsettling to the guardians of the status quo than any Green Party candidate. Reporting on Sanders’s success in Iowa, the New York Times observed: “Clinton is far ahead, in the polls, fundraising and name recognition. … Her mix of centrist and progressive Democratic views may yet prove more appealing to the broadest number of party voters as well, while some of Mr. Sanders’s policy prescriptions—including far higher taxes on the wealthy and deep military spending cuts—may eventually persuade Democrats that he is unelectable in a general election.” Apparently, if his policies fail to convince Democrats he is unelectable, the New York Times will try its best to do so.


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Which campaign matters more: Bernie Sanders’s or Jill Stein’s? (Original Post) eridani Jul 2015 OP
Who is Jill Stein? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #1
Declated Green Party candidate for president. Never held elected office. eridani Jul 2015 #2
Next time Stein pulls 10k for an audience, she might become relevant n2doc Jul 2015 #3
Harvard education or not OBblueMeanie Jul 2015 #4
Not a flake--just suffering from a common delusion on the left eridani Jul 2015 #5
I was a Green Party member for a while - Why? LiberalElite Jul 2015 #6
That's pretty much when I was a Green also eridani Jul 2015 #7

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. Declated Green Party candidate for president. Never held elected office.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

Third parties can win if they take voter contact seriously, which Socialist Alternative has done. The Greens never have.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. Next time Stein pulls 10k for an audience, she might become relevant
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

Next time would be the first time, of course.

 

OBblueMeanie

(14 posts)
4. Harvard education or not
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

Dr. Jill Stein is a flake. Bernie is doing it the right way, running as a Democrat.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
5. Not a flake--just suffering from a common delusion on the left
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jul 2015

--that average voters are policy wonks.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
6. I was a Green Party member for a while - Why?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jul 2015

The Dems went too far right for me after Bubba was elected. (I still recall the stampede of elected Dems declaring "I'm not a LIBERAL.&quot I felt I didn't leave the Democratic Party - It left me.
I have since given up on the Greens. They are going nowhere fast. I'm now a registered Democrat. Again.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
7. That's pretty much when I was a Green also
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

However, I noticed that in 2000, Nader asked us to lobby to get him in the debates. in 2004, Kucinich asked us to join our local party organizations and talk to our neighbors. That's when I lost the Green delusion that average voters are policy wonks who make their decisions based on 10 point platforms.

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